Ange in or out?

[El Dante]

I genuinely think Ange will be gone by the time that we play our next fixture. I think he’s too far gone and there is so much noise in the media and dissent with supporters that surely Ange can’t keep going and arguing with our supporters. I think what happened against Fulham will have been the breaking point. I think right now Levy is likely working on agreeing a deal with the next manager to ease the change over. All of that is just my thinking but I firmly believe that Ange is done with us.

 

[DubSpur]

I genuinely think Ange will be gone by the time that we play our next fixture. I think he’s too far gone and there is so much noise in the media and dissent with supporters that surely Ange can’t keep going and arguing with our supporters. I think what happened against Fulham will have been the breaking point. I think right now Levy is likely working on agreeing a deal with the next manager to ease the change over. All of that is just my thinking but I firmly believe that Ange is done with us.

I'd be very surprised if he is gone before the end of the season. All the candidates to take over from him are currently in jobs and won't be available until the end of the season. That will save him for now.

 

[Jordinho]

I genuinely think Ange will be gone by the time that we play our next fixture. I think he’s too far gone and there is so much noise in the media and dissent with supporters that surely Ange can’t keep going and arguing with our supporters. I think what happened against Fulham will have been the breaking point. I think right now Levy is likely working on agreeing a deal with the next manager to ease the change over. All of that is just my thinking but I firmly believe that Ange is done with us.

The fact that he's still here makes me worried it's more likely he'll get another season (1 year left on his contract) than get sacked before this one is over.

 

[glorygloryeze]

The fact that he's still here makes me worried it's more likely he'll get another season (1 year left on his contract) than get sacked before this one is over.

Hmm, his contract runs out just before the next world cup, so.....

 

[Jordinho]

Hmm, his contract runs out just before the next world cup, so.....

I think there's an option for another year, but not sure if that's up to the club.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Do the injuries mean a free pass for the season?

Do you mean a free pass for the overall appraisal of the season or a free pass that he continues until the end of the season?

 

[DubSpur]

I think there's an option for another year, but not sure if that's up to the club.

If there's an option it's always on the club's side.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I'd be very surprised if he is gone before the end of the season. All the candidates to take over from him are currently in jobs and won't be available until the end of the season. That will save him for now.

Except Poch. Who could walk after the game against the Panama Lockkeepers this week. And who is on low wage/low compensation

 

[DeanoAustin]

Do you mean a free pass for the overall appraisal of the season or a free pass that he continues until the end of the season?

The latter. And it's more a question for anyone thinking we should keep him beyond this season (if such people exist. I think even Steff and maybe Tommy are resigned to his tenure ending in the next few months).

With the lack of alternatives, I can see the logic in giving him the rest of the season to be fair even if I'd get rid now.

 

[Mikey10]

The latter. And it's more a question for anyone thinking we should keep him beyond this season (if such people exist. I think even Steff and maybe Tommy are resigned to his tenure ending in the next few months).

With the lack of alternatives, I can see the logic in giving him the rest of the season to be fair even if I'd get rid now.

I could see the logic if it weren't for the EL. Without him, we have a serious chance; with him, I just think it's too far gone now for us to win it.

With a trophy and CL football as the ultimate prize there is an imperative for the club to make a change within the next few days imo.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I could see the logic if it weren't for the EL. Without him, we have a serious chance; with him, I just think it's too far gone now for us to win it.

With a trophy and CL football as the ultimate prize there is an imperative for the club to make a change within the next few days imo.

I'd agree with you 100%. I'd pull the trigger now.

However, with the lack of viable alternatives at this point of the season, I can understand the argument for keeping him until the season ends. I don't agree but it's a fair argument.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

The latter. And it's more a question for anyone thinking we should keep him beyond this season (if such people exist. I think even Steff and maybe Tommy are resigned to his tenure ending in the next few months).

With the lack of alternatives, I can see the logic in giving him the rest of the season to be fair even if I'd get rid now.

I could see the logic if it weren't for the EL. Without him, we have a serious chance; with him, I just think it's too far gone now for us to win it.

With a trophy and CL football as the ultimate prize there is an imperative for the club to make a change within the next few days imo.

Tbf if it is the injuries that are responsible for a large part of what we are seeing then giving him 10-15 games to show an upturn with a good squad to pick from is probably fair to him.

The EL element is only truly rebooted by employing a new manager that we have been tracking anyway and is available now. That's highly unlikely scenario.

I don't think Mills/Mason are any more likely to succeed (less in fact) than rolling the dice that Ange does get us back on track.

I'm now thinking that even if Ange does win us the EL, it's no given that he should carry on. Because he gets us thru a semi final and a final is no way to analyze the bigger picture just as losing 3 games would be no reason to sack someone. Data, conversation and less emotion is the route to the correct decision.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I'd agree with you 100%. I'd pull the trigger now.

However, with the lack of viable alternatives at this point of the season, I can understand the argument for keeping him until the season ends. I don't agree but it's a fair argument.

I honestly think that Mason would do a better job and improve our chances of the EL just by ending the immediate negativity and divisiveness that's built up around the Ange tenure, relax the players a bit more and tactically just make us less open and a but tougher to beat. And play the likes of Sonny and Maddison in roles that play to their strengths and protect their weaknesses. I think that could give us a far better platform to let our individual quality which still exists in those sort of plays be telling, particularly in the EL

 

[DeanoAustin]

Tbf if it is the injuries that are responsible for a large part of what we are seeing then giving him 10-15 games to show an upturn with a good squad to pick from is probably fair to him.

The EL element is only truly rebooted by employing a new manager that we have been tracking anyway and is available now. That's highly unlikely scenario.

I don't think Mills/Mason are any more likely to succeed (less in fact) than rolling the dice that Ange does get us back on track.

I'm now thinking that even if Ange does win us the EL, it's no given that he should carry on. Because he gets us thru a semi final and a final is no way to analyze the bigger picture just as losing 3 games would be no reason to sack someone. Data, conversation and less emotion is the route to the correct decision.

I see the logic in that argument too. But for me, all we are doing is delaying the inevitable and managing the optics if we stick with him.

To apply Ange's comments on hindsight last week, it'd be easy to judge at the end of the season when the results are in. In my view, you can see now what will happen. The way we defend, the lack of application, the blunt attack. All the signs are there now regardless of personnel. He will not win the EL - I'd be surprised if we even make the semis.

In the league, I expect we'll be beaten by Chelsea and Liverpool and have middling results against the rest. Maybe beat Southampton, lose to Wolves. Beat Palace, lose to Forest etc.

Our defence under him has always been poor regardless of personnel and, IMO, was always a barrier to us winning anything. Now the belief has drained from the players and you can see that in the application which is also manifesting itself in an inability to attack like we did early in his reign. Throw in him confronting fans and biting at silly stuff in press conferences and he's the epitome of a dead man walking. Personnel won't make a big difference and we can either wait until the end of the season and sacrifice any hope of the EL just to say we gave him the fairest of cracks or we act now and roll the dice again.

 

[harr1984]

I'd agree with you 100%. I'd pull the trigger now.

However, with the lack of viable alternatives at this point of the season, I can understand the argument for keeping him until the season ends. I don't agree but it's a fair argument.

Our focus in on the Europa League. Despite our injury situation we finished fourth in the table, two points off top. Lost only one game, 3-2 away to Galatasary and playing the last 30 minutes with ten men. We are now in the quarter finals. There is no issue with how Ange has done for us in Europe this season, and Ryan Mason would not of done any better....

 

[glasgowspur]

Need to consider that if we bring a temp or mason and they win the EL it will be very difficult to sack them and give it to someone else when they become available in the summer without looking silly.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Our focus in on the Europa League. Despite our injury situation we finished fourth in the table, two points off top. Lost only one game, 3-2 away to Galatasary and playing the last 30 minutes with ten men. We are now in the quarter finals. There is no issue with how Ange has done for us in Europe this season, and Ryan Mason would not of done any better....

Apart from the fact that we struggled whenever we came across decent opposition, and the level of opposition is about to get better than what we've faced up until now

 

[glorygloryeze]

Need to consider that if we bring a temp or mason and they win the EL it will be very difficult to sack them and give it to someone else when they become available in the summer without looking silly.

Roberto Di Matteo and Benitez say hi. Ambitious clubs sometimes do ruthless things (i said ruthless, not classless e.g. the way Jol was sacked at HT)

In terms of looking silly: have you only started supporting us yesterday?

 

[harr1984]

Apart from the fact that we struggled whenever we came across decent opposition, and the level of opposition is about to get better than what we've faced up until now

No we played four decent teams and four 'lesser' teams same as everyone else. We struggled yet won 5 out of 8 games and drew 2....must be the luckiest side going. Apparently the argument was results are all that matters when earlier in the season we lost games we didn't deserve to. So, in Europe we have been getting results under Ange this season end of. That's not me saying we will win it, but there is nothing about our results in Europe this season that have been a concern....

 

[DeanoAustin]

Roberto Di Matteo and Benitez say hi. Ambitious clubs sometimes do ruthless things (i said ruthless, not classless e.g. the way Jol was sacked at HT)

In terms of looking silly: have you only started supporting us yesterday?

It's a dangerous path IMO and @glasgowspur is correct. If a manager came in and won us the EL, breaking a17 year trophy drought, and we sacked them in the next 12 months, we'd be absolutely slaughtered and our reputation, such as it is, would be in tatters. Chelsea were different to us in many respects not least they were winning trophies left, right and centre.

We also have to consider that, if we got Benitez or someone similar, we'd be veering from one style of manager to the opposite again. It'd look horrendous.

It's a bad spot for the club to be in.