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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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Robspur12 said:
That is just not how the press work in this country. Spurs fans may think AVB did great I can almost guarantee AVB will have done no favours to his rep outside of the club and probably with the club hierarchy. Rafa became something of a joke after his fergie rant and it did him no favours.
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Who cares? Rafa won a European Trophy last year, took a stuttering Chelsea to automatic CL qualification and landed a plum job at Napoli. Who actually gives a toss what these journos think? It doesn't affect anybodies' career, it's just glorious to see them bitchslapped when they deserve it.
 
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Sugar's a jumped up barrow boy under whose tenure Spurs were more likely to be relegated than get in the Champions' League. Sod him, and thank Christ there is another "brain surgeon" now "[having] a go".
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
So you think Moyes and Pellegrini got a similar level of coverage against them when we were above them in the table? Absolutely no way. The scale that AVB has had to deal with this week has been ridiculous.

Just a simple example like calling a tactical decision 'his pig headed high line defence' or 'the beauty of being AVB is it's always someone else's fault' or delibrately writing that he was seperating himself from the team's display last week and failing to understand basic pronouns so they can fit it into their agenda.

There has clearly been something personal going on here. Of course they will lay off when we pick up results because they would look stupid not to, but when things go against us they jump on top of him quicker and heavier than they do with anyone else.
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Well his record at Chelsea is obviously still fresh in people's minds rightly or wrongly. Those managers haven't lost 6-0, 3-0 at home to West Ham and played boring football along the way. I'd say he's had it worse, but it's not as if they are all working against him to try and drive him out of the job. Not every London journalist supports WHU, Woolwich or Chelsea and are out to get us. We're as bad as Liverpool fans.
 
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Mumorn said:
Managers and teams will always get a slating when teams off form, especially one who spent £100m worth on players in the summer and are struggling to score goals, it's inevitable. It's just one of those things, I personally don't mind AVB going back at them, if the journos are going to say **** in their paper then AVB can quite easily say **** to their face in a press conference.

But we start winning games, starting Wednesday against Fulham and the paper ******** will stop.
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100% agree.
 
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braineclipse said:
I ask again, have you watched the press conference? Why are you comparing it to Rafa's rant? Did it look to you like AVB was ranting?
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I did and yes he did by the tone of what he is saying about Sugar and the journos, I'm no psychologist but I have had at least half a dozen people supporting other clubs who think he is cracking up. Play the press like Mourinho and Harry do or stay clear imo.
 
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Jordinho said:
Sugar does himself no favours with his Piers Morgan-style whingeing on twitter. They are both equally clueless about football.
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TV said to Sugar "Leave the football to me, son."

Didn't turn out too well for TV. Sugar still holds a substantial stake in Spurs and what he is saying is what Lewis is thinking IMO.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Well his record at Chelsea is obviously still fresh in people's minds rightly or wrongly. Those managers haven't lost 6-0, 3-0 at home to West Ham and played boring football along the way. I'd say he's had it worse, but it's not as if they are all working against him to try and drive him out of the job. Not every London journalist supports WHU, Woolwich or Chelsea and are out to get us.
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Moyes lost 4-0 in a derby and didn't get what AVB had. He's also played some boring football this year, scraped past Crystal Palace at home thanks to a dive, lost to West Brom at home and conceded a last minute goal to Southampton. Some low level sniping about how he hasn't won a trophy but nothing to the personal extent that AVB has received.

I don't think it's because they support other clubs and are out to get us, I think they have a personal dislike for the man because they don't understand his methods and they don't understand why he is highly rated within the game because they don't understand football. They also seriously mid-judge the national mood when they attack him because it usually ends with a load of fans laughing at their incompetence after AVB has schooled them in public.
 
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Robspur12 said:
I did and yes he did by the tone of what he is saying about Sugar and the journos, I'm no psychologist but I have had at least half a dozen people supporting other clubs who think he is cracking up.
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Oh NO!!!
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Well his record at Chelsea is obviously still fresh in people's minds rightly or wrongly. Those managers haven't lost 6-0, 3-0 at home to West Ham and played boring football along the way. I'd say he's had it worse, but it's not as if they are all working against him to try and drive him out of the job. Not every London journalist supports WHU, Woolwich or Chelsea and are out to get us. We're as bad as Liverpool fans.
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Agreed.
 
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Robspur12 said:
I think AVB made an error today. Never a good idea to attack the press directly - just get on and let your football do the talking -look how the press have laid off Wenger since L'**** became top of the tree. He will continue to be a whipping boy, more so especially if the press smell blood. Today served no one well not AVB not the club. and WTF was the attack on Sugar? He needs to grow a thick skin to manage at the top level he just comes across as petulant.
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The one thing it seems to have done is get a lot of fans (ours and neutrals) back on his side. Siege mentality.

The consequence will inevitably be more ******** stories in the papers, but then with Leverson the tabloids are already held in more popular distain than at any time in their history.

Similarly, Sugar was hounded out of the club by disgruntled fans. It's not exactly going to divide opinions.
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
Oh NO!!!
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Listen mate I genuinely think he has made a mistake here not just for Spurs who will become a laughing stock but also for himself and his reputation. Best way to deal with the press? shut up and win games.
 
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if he's hated by the same ****s who fawn over Jose Mourinhio id say that's a good personally
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
Moyes lost 4-0 in a derby and didn't get what AVB had. He's also played some boring football this year, scraped past Crystal Palace at home thanks to a dive, lost to West Brom at home and conceded a last minute goal to Southampton. Some low level sniping about how he hasn't won a trophy but nothing to the personal extent that AVB has received.

I don't think it's because they support other clubs and are out to get us, I think they have a personal dislike for the man because they don't understand his methods and they don't understand why he is highly rated within the game because they don't understand football. They also seriously mid-judge the national mood when they attack him because it usually ends with a load of fans laughing at their incompetence after AVB has schooled them in public.
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Think with Moyes is, he did a considerably good job with Everton and has always been somewhat of a media favorite. The press and everyone else knew it'd be very tough to fill SAFs shoes so he was always going to be treated fine with the press.

Now compare that to AVB who was all over the press during his poor Chelsea reign, alienating players and so on, and then to take over from a media favorite in Harry Redknapp who gave us some of the best times in recent years, he was always going to be an easy target, then you mix that up with the way we went from the fresh attacking exciting football under Redknapp to the two holding midfielders in home games under AVB in the early days and it's easy for the media to pick up on and write a story about.

Spurs are an easy club to target in the press, it's always been the same for as long as I can remember.
 
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Robspur12 said:
Listen mate I genuinely think he has made a mistake here not just for Spurs who will become a laughing stock but also for himself and his reputation. Best way to deal with the press? shut up and win games.
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A laughing stock. Really? **** me.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Well his record at Chelsea is obviously still fresh in people's minds rightly or wrongly. Those managers haven't lost 6-0, 3-0 at home to West Ham and played boring football along the way. I'd say he's had it worse, but it's not as if they are all working against him to try and drive him out of the job. Not every London journalist supports WHU, Woolwich or Chelsea and are out to get us. We're as bad as Liverpool fans.
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People aren't saying that the journalists are after Spurs or being unfair to Spurs. People are saying that some journos are unfair to Villas Boas, I think similar observations were made by non-Chelsea fans including Spurs fans during AVB's Chelsea days.

It's not the club, most of us acknowledged that Redknapp got more positive press than a lot of other managers would have because of his good relationship with a lot of journalists and editors. Most realized that the press made Redknapp their favourite for the England job, perhaps in part because they had a closer relationship to him than to Hodgson or some of the potential foreign candidates.

I don't think it's tin foil hat territory to think that some journalists are being unfair towards AVB for whatever reason.

Robspur12 said:
I did and yes he did by the tone of what he is saying about Sugar and the journos, I'm no psychologist but I have had at least half a dozen people supporting other clubs who think he is cracking up. Play the press like Mourinho and Harry do or stay clear imo.
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Most unranty-rant ever then by my standards.

onlyme said:
TV said to Sugar "Leave the football to me, son."

Didn't turn out too well for TV. Sugar still holds a substantial stake in Spurs and what he is saying is what Lewis is thinking IMO.
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Why would Lewis need Sugar for a mouthpiece? Considering the stake Lewis has in the club couldn't he just talk to Levy?
 
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braineclipse said:
People aren't saying that the journalists are after Spurs or being unfair to Spurs. People are saying that some journos are unfair to Villas Boas, I think similar observations were made by non-Chelsea fans including Spurs fans during AVB's Chelsea days.

It's not the club, most of us acknowledged that Redknapp got more positive press than a lot of other managers would have because of his good relationship with a lot of journalists and editors. Most realized that the press made Redknapp their favourite for the England job, perhaps in part because they had a closer relationship to him than to Hodgson or some of the potential foreign candidates.

I don't think it's tin foil hat territory to think that some journalists are being unfair towards AVB for whatever reason.



Most unranty-rant ever then by my standards.



Why would Lewis need Sugar for a mouthpiece? Considering the stake Lewis has in the club couldn't he just talk to Levy?
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Everything is theory for you. In the real world people plot, people get other people to sack people they are scared to sack themselves and media savvy people use the media for their advantage.
 
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Wikipedia said:
In June 2007, Sugar sold his remaining shares to ENIC for £25 million,[43] ending his 16-year association with the club. He has described his time at Tottenham as "a waste of my life".
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