They didn't have the numbers. But they opposed everything just to be obstinate.
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American politics
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Examples?
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I never forgave him for that, but I think it is important to see the underlying reasons, namely that he did not have control of congress or the senate for long spells of his term, thus had to (IMO) make some insane compromises just to get any of Obamacare done. No excuses whatsoever, drones and proliferation were a terrible thing, but we can never, ever ever forget who got the second wave of that brick going and sustained it for too long. Dubya.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
The first two years = dogfight.He basically had nothing.
Every single president that ever passed a bill without a majority.
Happens most commonly with budgets - there are always trade offs with the other side to get them to pass.
Most of what he rolls back are executive orders. The same thing Trump is (rightly) criticised for using instead of proper legislation.
I'm not sure what you mean? The democrats had a majority in both houses and he had the opportunity to pass bills. He then suffered one of the largest swings of all time in the house of reps - presumably because voters weren't happy with how things were going.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
How many of Obama's executive orders has he revoked?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
This gimp really had no chance in life did he, being called Donald Trump Jnr. Add to that he more than delivered on the idiocy stakes. I hope the fall out post eviction from the White House sees these clowns dragged through the courts for the next ten years.
I don't know off the top of my head, but there's a US legal/political podcast I listen to that went through them a while back. It was quite a few.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
You do know the state the US was in when he got elected, right? Before he could even set to doing anything he might've actually wanted to do, his first order of business was to correct the financial situation in the US and prevent it sliding into an abyss. In essence, he carried the can for the disastrous tenure of his predecessor, who was clearly interested only in his own "people" (what a shock). Economic matters take time to sort out -especially the ones the US was dealing with at the time. So, his first two years were spent trying to sort that mess out as well as looking for some sort of bipartisan moves to bring the factions together; this proved too difficult given the time.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Which is often not down to compromise across the floor...
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Spot on Steff.
Have you ever seen a budget bill? It's always give and take, always compromise, always a fudge compared to the initial bill.
It's the only way budgets ever get through.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I know you're sharper than the above comment, and I also know you're better than to think I don't understand the concepts at work. Political systems want you to believe they work on compromise over backroom bullying, threats and coercion. There is, in the US at any rate, literally zero "bipartisan coming together" right now, it is all about forcing things through using whatever threats and underhanded tactics you can. Now, I will admit that to some this can be termed "compromise" but not me. It is coertcion.