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Scary brick. Wonder when he'll do something really drastic and dangerous.
Feels like he is slowly getting backed into a corner doesnt it?

Trump obviously doesnt help himself with some of his quotes, brashness, and lack of self-awareness, however, in terms of actual policy decisions, i would question anyone who thinks Trump has badly misstepped re the coronavirus.

i really doubt any other president would have taken drastically different decisions or timings than trump. and if anything, i suspect that trump acted earlier in terms of banning flights than others would have. from what i can tell, hes only being criticised with the benefit of hindsight.
 
That Trump, I know he says some ridiculous things, i know he's a vicious bully and I know that he is morally bankrupt and totally corrupt...but he has done some good things you know. This is the Kool Aid drinker mentality, Just complete denial of any reality.
 
Indeed. As Obama was having his inauguration the Poch brothers were meeting at the same time in Palm Springs with their billionaire white supremacy buddies, making plans to undermine Obama and to make sure this type of thing never happened again.

edit: Indian Wells not Palm Springs.

I've never heard this, do you have any links?

I think Obama was obviously a far better president but it shows the power of persona here, Obama had a slick team which enables you to get away with things without the same level of scrutiny whilst Trump being the idiot he is gets criticism from all angles (90% of it more than justified) but because it's Trump even when he does anything remotely sensible/good he's seized upon.

If you look at Obama for instance he deported far more people than Trump but its not really discussed, he didn't shut down the NSA, kept the drone programme going even whilst giving speeches about how he'd end it and never followed through on shutting down Guantanomo Bay.
 
I've never heard this, do you have any links?

I think Obama was obviously a far better president but it shows the power of persona here, Obama had a slick team which enables you to get away with things without the same level of scrutiny whilst Trump being the idiot he is gets criticism from all angles (90% of it more than justified) but because it's Trump even when he does anything remotely sensible/good he's seized upon.

If you look at Obama for instance he deported far more people than Trump but its not really discussed, he didn't shut down the NSA, kept the drone programme going even whilst giving speeches about how he'd end it and never followed through on shutting down Guantanomo Bay.
This is one of the main themes in Jane Meyer's famous Dark Money book.
 
This is one of the main themes in Jane Meyer's famous Dark Money book.

I shall add it to my list along with the one you mentioned the other day (I think it was you - the uninhabitable earth), infact those 2 books along with doughnut economics are my next 3 planned reads now.
 
I shall add it to my list along with the one you mentioned the other day (I think it was you - the uninhabitable earth), infact those 2 books along with doughnut economics are my next 3 planned reads now.
That's a good list. I've seen Kate Raworth talk a few times but not read her book yet.
 
I've never heard this, do you have any links?

I think Obama was obviously a far better president but it shows the power of persona here, Obama had a slick team which enables you to get away with things without the same level of scrutiny whilst Trump being the idiot he is gets criticism from all angles (90% of it more than justified) but because it's Trump even when he does anything remotely sensible/good he's seized upon.

If you look at Obama for instance he deported far more people than Trump but its not really discussed, he didn't shut down the NSA, kept the drone programme going even whilst giving speeches about how he'd end it and never followed through on shutting down Guantanomo Bay.

Alot of it is PR, I always believe that, thats why I don't go in on Trump or Boris like others because the same people kept quiet when Obama was terrible in equal areas.
 
others might not think hes done a good job, but imo theres plenty where trump has done well, and unfortunately too many people simply arent able to get past their personal dislike of him (understandable) to see this.

the trade war with China will probably be seen as (one of) the most significant aspect of the trump administration in a few years' time (excluding the current covid situation). imo, it was about time someone tried to put a stop to the bs that china had been playing to in terms of trade policies, ip theft, and causing unfair trade deficits. i doubt any other republican, let alone democrat would have had the balls to do this, and long term, it will hopefully prove beneficial to the us economy - although obviously short term there is going to be a bit of pain.

also, the iran nuclear deal was/is also a load of nonesense.why should the US (and world) pay for a bad actor to stop making nuclear weapons? it sets all the wrong precedents.

theres been a long history of the US getting the short stick of foreign policy deals, and Trump is simply saying enough is enough. these should bring benefits long term, as long as the the US stay on these policy directions - although im obviously not sure if this will actually happen.

others might not think hes done a good job, but imo theres plenty where trump has done well, and unfortunately too many people simply arent able to get past their personal dislike of him (understandable) to see this.

the trade war with China will probably be seen as (one of) the most significant aspect of the trump administration in a few years' time (excluding the current covid situation). imo, it was about time someone tried to put a stop to the bs that china had been playing to in terms of trade policies, ip theft, and causing unfair trade deficits. i doubt any other republican, let alone democrat would have had the balls to do this, and long term, it will hopefully prove beneficial to the us economy - although obviously short term there is going to be a bit of pain.

also, the iran nuclear deal was/is also a load of nonesense.why should the US (and world) pay for a bad actor to stop making nuclear weapons? it sets all the wrong precedents.

theres been a long history of the US getting the short stick of foreign policy deals, and Trump is simply saying enough is enough. these should bring benefits long term, as long as the the US stay on these policy directions - although im obviously not sure if this will actually happen.

There's much to dislike about the Chinese government. Standing up to them seems like a good cause. I think the way it was done was the wrong approach. I doubt there will be long term positive results. Would be interested to hear which experts outside the Trump administration and the obvious media supporters who think that's going well.

Iran... Why should the rest of the the world control which countries can have nuclear weapons with no financial incentives for the countries cooperating? We obviously don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons... The deal seemed to ensure that, at some cost, but with the benefits of long terms trade and cooperation. The cost and consequences of Iran getting nuclear weapons would be much greater imo. Trump has helped the hardliners in Iran imo. And his claims that he could get a better deal (wasn't that the claim?) are so far completely unsupported.
 
Trump obviously doesnt help himself with some of his quotes, brashness, and lack of self-awareness, however, in terms of actual policy decisions, i would question anyone who thinks Trump has badly misstepped re the coronavirus.

i really doubt any other president would have taken drastically different decisions or timings than trump. and if anything, i suspect that trump acted earlier in terms of banning flights than others would have. from what i can tell, hes only being criticised with the benefit of hindsight.
He got plenty of criticism at the time. He's getting plenty of criticism still. Well deserved.

He kept minimising the virus for a very long time. He kept doing nothing. Now at the height of the outbreak he's cutting WHO funding.
 
Alot of it is PR, I always believe that, thats why I don't go in on Trump or Boris like others because the same people kept quiet when Obama was terrible in equal areas.

And in Jayne Meyer's book, she also criticises Obama for his Drone attacks but then, it's all a little 4chan to criticise that particular president..
 
Cutting WHO funding in the middle of a pandemic doesn't warrant applause, praise or show any sign of strategical leadership. It's fudging macaronic.

They are not above criticism though and they messed up hugely. Also if Trump feels the money can be used to meet their and his objectives locally in the US.

WHO states its main objective as ensuring "the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health", they were terrible in Jan for that

They have been involved in 12 controversies in recent years, they are not above everyone.
 
He got plenty of criticism at the time. He's getting plenty of criticism still. Well deserved.

He kept minimising the virus for a very long time. He kept doing nothing. Now at the height of the outbreak he's cutting WHO funding.

He could've done better but that's simply not true ...

Mid January..

Late February..

It could be argued that Trump should've stopped all incoming flights from Asia but then his critics would have accused him of going KKK...

The Democrats would've fared no better in the situation had they been in power as just like Trump and all the other western leaders, they're bound by the four pillars of globalism...
 
They are not above criticism though and they messed up hugely. Also if Trump feels the money can be used to meet their and his objectives locally in the US.

WHO states its main objective as ensuring "the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health", they were terrible in Jan for that

They have been involved in 12 controversies in recent years, they are not above everyone.

A new $200bn Chinese/USA trade deal happened in mid January that were viewed as favourable to the USA . Just days after the deal were completed, the WHO were changing their tune regarding the seriousness of the virus.

Apparently, much of that $200bn deal is now null and void due to the pandemic. Trump rightly IMO, feels let down by the WHO, due to their incompetence or something much worse.
 
And in Jayne Meyer's book, she also criticises Obama for his Drone attacks but then, it's all a little 4chan to criticize that particular president..
I don't remember drone attacks being mentioned in Dark Money (is that what you are referring to? Jane Mayer?) but it might be. Obama drone wars were a travesty, especially the extrajudicial killings and civilian deaths. It was blurring of the lines with regards to the war on terror and misuse of the blanket retaliation powers granted in the wake of 9/11. He was widely criticised for this at the time and rightly so. Equally, Trump should be criticised for increasing the frequency of drone attacks relative to time in office and revoking the rule requiring reporting on the number of civilians deaths, so he's no better and maybe worse.
 
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