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American politics

wiziwig said:
He could've done better but that's simply not true ...

Mid January..

Late February..

It could be argued that Trump should've stopped all incoming flights from Asia but then his critics would have accused him of going KKK...

The Democrats would've fared no better in the situation had they been in power as just like Trump and all the other western leaders, they're bound by the four pillars of globalism...
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Stopping of flights from China might have bought some time, or maybe none, but any time was squandered through inaction. The virus had already caught hold before the flight ban as some 400k people had already come from China after the virus surfaced and before the ban. And even after the ban another 40k came in!!! And even if they went full KKK as you say (not mostly famous for their anti-Asian stance) it was probably European travelers that imported more of the virus. The horse had bolted.

Who knows how a democratic administration would have fared with Corona but they did pretty well with the Ebola outbreak. We can do a comparison if you want but there really is none. Their handling of it was exemplary and they literally wrote the book about it, which needless to say was ignored by this administration. Trump's handling of this virus has been textbook incompetence.
 
Grays_1890 said:
They are not above criticism though and they messed up hugely. Also if Trump feels the money can be used to meet their and his objectives locally in the US.

WHO states its main objective as ensuring "the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health", they were terrible in Jan for that

They have been involved in 12 controversies in recent years, they are not above everyone.
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I agree with you and at no point did I state they were 'above criticism' in my post. This move by Trump/his administration has nothing to do with feeling the money can be used elsewhere and purely a self-serving and deflection move. His and his administration's previous can attest to that throughout their tenure in the White House thus far.
 
Rorschach said:
I don't remember drone attacks being mentioned in Dark Money (is that what you are referring to?) but it might be. Obama drone wars were a travesty, especially the extrajudicial killings and civilian deaths. It was blurring of the lines with regards to the war on terror and misuse of the blanket retaliation powers granted in the wake of 9/11. He was widely criticised for this at the time and rightly so. Equally, Trump should be criticised for increasing the frequency of drone attacks relative to time in office and revoking the rule requiring reporting on the number of civilians deaths, so he's no better and maybe worse.
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It could be that book or another, I'm not sure but her name is familiar to me. I do recall reading about her impartial investigative journalism.

She has been critical of both political parties in America. She were critical of Obama's lack of transparency as well as his drone attacks...She has also been critical of the Democratic Party's willingness to take overseas funding for their election campaigns from people like George Soros..

You could be right, that Trump could be worse than Obama with regards to their Drone policy. But unlike Obama, Trump actually set out to destroy the forces of ISIS using drone attacks.. Although, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Obama was an ally of ISIS, I would say that he were more inclined to go easy on ISIS as he were more interested in regime change in Syria. Obama's use of drones were mainly in Pakistan and Afghanistan as he hunted down
Osaama Bin Laden..

I have many news channels from around the world available to me and can recall the regularity of the many drone attacks being reported at the scene, during the Obama years.The regularity of these reports has not been anything like that these past three years.
 
wiziwig said:
It could be that book or another, I'm not sure but her name is familiar to me. I do recall reading about her impartial investigative journalism.

She has been critical of both political parties in America. She were critical of Obama's lack of transparency as well as his drone attacks...She has also been critical of the Democratic Party's willingness to take overseas funding for their election campaigns from people like George Soros..

You could be right, that Trump could be worse than Obama with regards to their Drone policy. But unlike Obama, Trump actually set out to destroy the forces of ISIS using drone attacks.. Although, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Obama was an ally of ISIS, I would say that he were more inclined to go easy on ISIS as he were more interested in regime change in Syria. Obama's use of drones were mainly in Pakistan and Afghanistan as he hunted down
Osaama Bin Laden..

I have many news channels from around the world available to me and can recall the regularity of the many drone attacks being reported at the scene, during the Obama years.The regularity of these reports has not been anything like that these past three years.
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The criticism of the drone attacks led to an Obama executive order to lend legitimacy and transparency rules to the drone program. It didn't really go far enough IMO. That EO has now been rescinded by Trump so only the number of strikes is reported now. That coupled with the fact that the news cycle is blur of headline-grabbing events are two reasons why you see less in the news about drone strikes I would think (except Solemani of course).

The rest of your post is a distortion of facts but you know....rabbit holes.
 
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AuroRaman said:
I agree with you and at no point did I state they were 'above criticism' in my post. This move by Trump/his administration has nothing to do with feeling the money can be used elsewhere and purely a self-serving and deflection move. His and his administration's previous can attest to that throughout their tenure in the White House thus far.
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But the deflection has merit if WHO were poor
 
Rorschach said:
Stopping of flights from China might have bought some time, or maybe none, but any time was squandered through inaction. The virus had already caught hold before the flight ban as some 400k people had already come from China after the virus surfaced and before the ban. And even after the ban another 40k came in!!! And even if they went full KKK as you say (not mostly famous for their anti-Asian stance) it was probably European travelers that imported more of the virus. The horse had bolted.

Who knows how a democratic administration would have fared with Corona but they did pretty well with the Ebola outbreak. We can do a comparison if you want but there really is none. Their handling of it was exemplary and they literally wrote the book about it, which needless to say was ignored by this administration. Trump's handling of this virus has been textbook incompetence.

What are the 4 pillars of globalism?
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Oh I agree with you that things could've been done better.. Trump didn't follow up on his election promise to put Americans first. Had he done so, he'd have put the new trade deal that were signed with China mid January on hold until all this had been cleared up...

He was running checks on passengers from China from mid January and in early March, he did ban all flights from Europe and received plenty of flak for it..For some reason he omitted the UK from this flight ban and just this weekend gone, flights from New York were incoming and outgoing from Heathrow Airport.

Ebola was completely different in human to human transmission, was down to physical contact as far as I know?

I agree with you he should've done better but the accusations by the WOKE anti Trump crowd is now bordering on the ridiculous ...For example, their lack of criticism for the Spanish socialists or for instance, the Italian Left, who were running a 'hug a Chinese person campaign' as we entered the month of March. The Nancy Pelosi video for example where she's walking around with her entourage, promoting business as usual in late February...The reporter there near to the end also stating that no one in Chinatown has been tested positive lol

In 2000, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) identified four basic aspects of globalization:
trade and transactions..
capital and investment movements..
migration and movement of people..
the dissemination of knowledge.
 
Out of interest if Obama and Biden were UK politicians which party do you think they'd be in? I don't see them slotting into Labour. Biden would certainly be Tory and potentially Obama as well (maybe LD/Tory).
 
SpurMeUp said:
I’m always surprised by how much people care about America’s leader.

Got to hand it to Trump, he is the most self publicising president ever. People can’t stop talking about him.

Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
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Criticism is fine but there has to be a balance to it all ...

This thread has me thinking that most of the posters on here are youngsters, by that, I mean not past the age of 30 - 35 and if they're older, then they need to check their bias.....

History it seems is meaningless to them , something to be discarded. Blue check marks from twitter is now the go to, its where the edgy leftists now get their information from, their daily fix to jack up their Trump Derangement Syndrome...

This POTUS has his faults, of course he does but then when I recall his predecessors, I then have to say, that up to now in his presidency, he's the best POTUS in my lifetime...

In the 50's decade, President Eisenhower issued his warnings of the dangers of the USA military Industrial Complex, that it could become a law unto itself, that it could be taken away from the people and into the hands of a powerful corrupt few.

When in the early 60's President John F Kennedy sacked the leading CIA man Dulles for the CIA's role in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, this led to the Cuban missile crises and left the world's populace wondering if these were the end times.. JFK paid the price with his life for his attempts in draining the swamp and no sooner had his vice president Lyndon B Jonson got his feet under the table in the oval office, he were soon barking out orders to carpet bomb North Vietnamese peasants! The Vietnam war cost the lives of over two million Vietnamese and more than 50,000 young american conscripts, never mind the injuries and minds ruined, families devastated on all sides of that war..

Nixon, Ford, Carter, like Johnson were more of the same, weak corrupt men...

Reagan did pretty well at home and with Thatcher, helped Gorby to open up the Soviet Union to a semblance of freedom, however he had, Daddy Bush in the background constantly trying to take him out...

With the the Berlin wall coming down and the USA as the only remaining superpower, we were meant to be entering a new era of global peace and understanding of our differences.. Instead almost immediately, Daddy Bush was speaking of regime changes and a new world order and was desert storming in the middle east.

Clinton followed and when not launching Nato strikes on Serbia, was more interested in the deregulation of the financial fat cats that led us all to a financial utopia...Thanks for that Billy...

Baby Bush, how fantastic was this mass murderer alongside his accomplice Tony Blair?... How many third world countries did this POS bomb the fudge out of?

And Obama with his promoting the Arab Spring whatever the fudge that was...Oh yeah it were the destruction of the wealthiest country in Africa, Libya. He sent Libya into lawlessness where the US ambassador was slaughtered by Benghazi gunmen and his mutilated body was dragged through the streets. Gunmen we wanted to aid in their fight against Gaddafi wtf, how perceptive of Obama in choosing his allies...Meanwhile in the hearing to the ambassador's death, Foreign Secretary Hilary Clinton, a hopeful to become the next POTUS, screeched like an 8 year old princess "what's it matter now!"

Trump has calmed down the dear leader, who was lobbing missiles over both Japan and South Korea airspace, that's stopped now. The US economy was doing good things at home with the jobless numbers coming down.. There were optimism for the home economy whilst the same couldn't be said for Europe or, China for that matter.. ..

He's not done great by any means, in fact some may argue that he's been a bit of a let down on his election promises..But what great evil has he done compared to his predecessors that has so many millennials and others having sleepless nights over his time in the White House?

He has found out, that the swamp is more akin to a vast ocean with plenty of evil nasty sharks swimming around ..

Really, some of you need to cut him some slack.:D
 
Grays_1890 said:
They are not above criticism though and they messed up hugely. Also if Trump feels the money can be used to meet their and his objectives locally in the US.

WHO states its main objective as ensuring "the attainment by all peoples of the highest possible level of health", they were terrible in Jan for that

They have been involved in 12 controversies in recent years, they are not above everyone.
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They didn't mess up hugely. They simply relayed what they were told by China and others until clear evidence was found. This was only over a few weeks. Trump's own dithering and downplaying carried on long after.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...at-who-said-coronavirus-was-not-communicable/
 
P.D. said:
Out of interest if Obama and Biden were UK politicians which party do you think they'd be in? I don't see them slotting into Labour. Biden would certainly be Tory and potentially Obama as well (maybe LD/Tory).
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Most of the Dems (except the mental left) would fit in reasonably well with modern Conservatives in the UK.
 
wiziwig said:
A new $200bn Chinese/USA trade deal happened in mid January that were viewed as favourable to the USA . Just days after the deal were completed, the WHO were changing their tune regarding the seriousness of the virus.

Apparently, much of that $200bn deal is now null and void due to the pandemic. Trump rightly IMO, feels let down by the WHO, due to their incompetence or something much worse.
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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251209309284859904
 
braineclipse said:
True...

Though no major US. terrorist attack to start them down that path.

Cancelled the Iran nuclear deal that could lead to massive problems down the road.

Done nothing to improve the North Korea situation, arguably made things worse.

Increased drone strikes.

Worsening the situation for Palestine.

Supported dictators and wannabe dictators all over the place.

Weakened relationships with most allies.

Done nothing to combat climate change.

If a war doesn't result from this at some point it will be despite of Trump, not because of him.
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I can’t quite put my finger on why he hasn’t acted on Iran but maybe because it’s down to money or simply he’s too inward looking to care.

That recent spat with Iran would have resulted in a war with all US presidents over the last few decades.
 
spitshine said:
I can’t quite put my finger on why he hasn’t acted on Iran but maybe because it’s down to money or simply he’s too inward looking to care.

That recent spat with Iran would have resulted in a war with all US presidents over the last few decades.
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I think they were trying to provoke a bigger response with the Solemani killing. Rapture fiends like Pompeo have a hard-on for a war with Iran. A war with Iran is pretty unwinnable though without nuking the entire place, according to the commentary I have heard. It would end up being a mistake far worse than either of their other stupid forever wars, and that is a high bar. I don't think Trump has the stomach for it really and he doesn't really see the upside (as you mentioned).
 
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P.D. said:
Out of interest if Obama and Biden were UK politicians which party do you think they'd be in? I don't see them slotting into Labour. Biden would certainly be Tory and potentially Obama as well (maybe LD/Tory).
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If Biden was elected now then his position will be far left of the Obama/Biden position when they were in the hot seat. The current version of Biden is not the same animal as he was back then. He is more malleable, as his recent reacharound to Bernie Sanders has shown (there's a mental image you won't forget quickly ).
The dem primary has shown that the party has moved to more progressive policy positions across the board. This is largely down to the needs of the moment (e.g. climate change) but also the progressive wing of the democratic party in the guise of Sanders, Warren, AOC have pulled it that way.

Current version of Biden probably labour IMHO.
 
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