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American politics

Gilzeantoscore said:
Ha , ha yep, I rely on Youtube for political research WTF? How reliable is that? What has the world come to? It helps explain a lot though.
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Huh ? Youtube does not give an opinion , its a video library and it can be used for research, not only to check on the latest Spurs transfer target but it can also be used to check on the ramblings of politicians.

In Hillary's case, how she constantly lies. How her friends lie, such as the chair of the Democratic National Committee Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who lied on Clinton's behalf by working against Bernie Sanders.


P.S. Don't use local libraries, they're not very reliable for information gathering;)
 
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Rock Strongo said:
I imagine ol'Donnie might be a tiny bit further away from The presidency than a tax return paper. He should rather be relying on his brilliant ideas like:

“When I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine, or maybe doesn’t, I may love what the generals come back with.” -Drump on war on ISIS
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I'm not going to pretend that Donald Trump politically enthuses me, but for me it's got to be him every time over Hillary. She wants to raise taxes on the hard working people so as to imprison people to welfare handouts and is a Wall Street globalist. She will run the USA like a third world dictatorship, with her Pay to Play practices. As Trump says, he's made his money by building things, whilst she's made her money out of politics through her foundation scam. I actually find it scary how so many turn a blind eye.

Hopefully the MSM is just full of BS and this race is a lot closer than you think. Oh look, we've got a faller.:rolleyes:

If she's got the pneumonia bad and don't get better quickly, I heard they may go to Joe Biden.
 
wiziwig said:
I'm not going to pretend that Donald Trump politically enthuses me, but for me it's got to be him every time over Hillary. She wants to raise taxes on the hard working people so as to imprison people to welfare handouts and is a Wall Street globalist. She will run the USA like a third world dictatorship, with her Pay to Play practices. As Trump says, he's made his money by building things, whilst she's made her money out of politics through her foundation scam. I actually find it scary how so many turn a blind eye.

Hopefully the MSM is just full of BS and this race is a lot closer than you think. Oh look, we've got a faller.:rolleyes:

If she's got the pneumonia bad and don't get better quickly, I heard they may go to Joe Biden.
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I don't understand what's wrong with that woman.

I made the point here a few weeks ago - if she wants to be president, all she has to do is not fudging lie for a couple of months. Better than that, she just has to not get caught in a lie.

And now (whether it was premeditated or not), the public believes she's lied to them about having pneumonia. I don't get it - there's no stigma to pneumonia, it's probably not going to last long with the quality of care she can expect. There's just no reason to lie. Yet she does it again, and again risks her chances of becoming president.
 
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wiziwig said:
Huh ? Youtube does not give an opinion , its a video library and it can be used for research, not only to check on the latest Spurs transfer target but it can also be used to check on the ramblings of politicians.

In Hillary's case, how she constantly lies. How her friends lie, such as the chair of the Democratic National Committee Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who lied on Clinton's behalf by working against Bernie Sanders.


P.S. Don't use local libraries, they're not very reliable for information gathering;)
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When I read a text from a library it's easy to see if the work is by a reputable commentator and is published by a reputable publisher. This gives some guidance as to the credibility of the content. Any half wit can express an opinion on the internet. Of course this is why common sense media coverage of politics has been in decline, because even 'journalists' fail to consult credible sources of information, when it's easier and quicker just to check YouTube or Google. How old are you? I'll bet you're under 30. Say's so much about the state of the world and how people are being led by the nose. Orwell was right. BTW, he doesn't make You Tube clips, he was a British socialist writer. :confused:
 
wiziwig said:
I'm not going to pretend that Donald Trump politically enthuses me, but for me it's got to be him every time over Hillary. She wants to raise taxes on the hard working people so as to imprison people to welfare handouts and is a Wall Street globalist. She will run the USA like a third world dictatorship, with her Pay to Play practices. As Trump says, he's made his money by building things, whilst she's made her money out of politics through her foundation scam. I actually find it scary how so many turn a blind eye.

Hopefully the MSM is just full of BS and this race is a lot closer than you think. Oh look, we've got a faller.:rolleyes:

If she's got the pneumonia bad and don't get better quickly, I heard they may go to Joe Biden.
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Gee, you must have drunk some super powerful Kool Aid. My, oh my! Is she also part of the world Jewish conspiracy? Nothing there about climate change and the NASA based conspiracy either. Ha, ha, ha. :D
 
Just to go back to yank politics for a moment...does anybody think these stories about Hilary's health could cost her the election?

The conspiracy theorists have been going big on her health for awhile, then she collapses the other day and covers up the reasons why. Then they come up with pneumonia.

Now, apparently, Colin Powell has had emails hacked and mentions her bad health, not being able to climb a podium (this was a year ago). Hilary polls really badly on trust as it is, now there's this shady health business. Maybe this will swing it for Trump?
 
the dza said:
Just to go back to yank politics for a moment...does anybody think these stories about Hilary's health could cost her the election?

The conspiracy theorists have been going big on her health for awhile, then she collapses the other day and covers up the reasons why. Then they come up with pneumonia.

Now, apparently, Colin Powell has had emails hacked and mentions her bad health, not being able to climb a podium (this was a year ago). Hilary polls really badly on trust as it is, now there's this shady health business. Maybe this will swing it for Trump?
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I don't think her health will do it, but I think lying about it will.
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think her health will do it, but I think lying about it will.
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Trump hardly speaks the truth either.

The title of the piece tells you where it is going, and it is an opinion piece, but for what it is worth...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/opinion/when-a-crackpot-runs-for-president.html
"On the PolitiFact website, 13 percent of Clinton’s statements that were checked were rated “false” or “pants on fire,” compared with 53 percent of Trump’s. Conversely, half of Clinton’s are rated “true” or “mostly true” compared to 15 percent of Trump statements."
 
Rorschach said:
Trump hardly speaks the truth either.

The title of the piece tells you where it is going, and it is an opinion piece, but for what it is worth...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/opinion/when-a-crackpot-runs-for-president.html
"On the PolitiFact website, 13 percent of Clinton’s statements that were checked were rated “false” or “pants on fire,” compared with 53 percent of Trump’s. Conversely, half of Clinton’s are rated “true” or “mostly true” compared to 15 percent of Trump statements."
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See his flimflam birther statement that I linked to in the post above yours for further evidence.
 
milo said:
See his hogwash birther statement that I linked to in the post above yours for further evidence.
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More nonsense from him.

All politicians lie. It is practically in the job description. Trump though really is on a different level , and bizarrely his lies are so easy to disprove that I'm just not sure what his strategy is.
 
Rorschach said:
Trump hardly speaks the truth either.

The title of the piece tells you where it is going, and it is an opinion piece, but for what it is worth...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/opinion/when-a-crackpot-runs-for-president.html
"On the PolitiFact website, 13 percent of Clinton’s statements that were checked were rated “false” or “pants on fire,” compared with 53 percent of Trump’s. Conversely, half of Clinton’s are rated “true” or “mostly true” compared to 15 percent of Trump statements."
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That's not how it plays to the electorate though.

The stuff Trump says comes under "campaign lies" where candidates all make up lies about each other and make promises they won't keep. Trump is obviously doing this way more than the others, but he gets a bit of a pass because everyone does it.

Clinton's lying is seen as deceitful because of the nature of what she lies about - 911, Bosnia, Benghazi, her mail server, her health, etc.
 
scaramanga said:
That's not how it plays to the electorate though.

The stuff Trump says comes under "campaign lies" where candidates all make up lies about each other and make promises they won't keep. Trump is obviously doing this way more than the others, but he gets a bit of a pass because everyone does it.

Clinton's lying is seen as deceitful because of the nature of what she lies about - 911, Bosnia, Benghazi, her mail server, her health, etc.
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Indeed. In fact that is the gist of the opinion piece really. Though in saying all of Trumps lies are isolated to the campaign trail is not entirely accurate either.

What do you think she's lying about health wise?
 
Rorschach said:
Indeed. In fact that is the gist of the opinion piece really. Though in saying all of Trumps lies are isolated to the campaign trail is not entirely accurate either.

What do you think she's lying about health wise?
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She claimed the coughing fits were due to allergies when it was pneumonia. Another in a long list of lies for the sake of lying where she should know she would be found out.
 
scaramanga said:
She claimed the coughing fits were due to allergies when it was pneumonia. Another in a long list of lies for the sake of lying where she should know she would be found out.
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Fair enough. I hadn't heard that. It does seem a bit of a silly one considering there was nothing to gain from it really.
 
Although it's a double-standard, I don't think Trump's lies will harm him in the way Clinton's harm her. He is seen as a bullsh1t artist, it's expected of him so there's no impact in catching him in a lie. Clinton is supposed to be the safe pair of hands, she can't be caught lying, because it will make her voters more apathetic towards her; even if they don't vote for Trump, they might be more inclined to stay at home. Trump's voters have already decided they don't care if he lies about stuff, so it won't affect his numbers in the same way imo.

Just on a human level, if someone is portrayed as sickly and looking to cover it up, that could sway some swing voters too.
 
What does it say about any country if a Trump can rise to even be a 'possible' leader.
Only in the USA!

It would be like us electing Simon Cowell as prime minister. (that was a joke! US visitors)
 
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