StephenH
David Ginola
And Trump isn't?
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And Trump isn't?
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Read this thread from the beginning again, click on the links people have provided. The information is out there to make an informed decision on why anyone with a semblance of sanity finds his whole persona ludicrous, whether it's an act or not. He is the perfect example of someone who says things for effect and knows how to manipulate support. It's quite clever actually, but also dangerous that this man could end up being The Most Powerful Person in the World (TM)
Regarding black people cheering him, stupidity isn't reserved for any singular colour, race or creed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...at-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I am not disagreeing with you mate as you have a good point but the yanks have a habit of choosing idiots for pres, take Bush for example, the mess he and his arse licking mate Blair have left behind in the middle east could not be any worse.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Oh of course mate, totally agree. I mean, the fact Dubya got 8 years in the office is astounding. In a bit of a dark moment for me, I almost missed him when he left just for the pure comedy that came out of his mouth on an almost weekly basis. There have been some great men that have taken their seat as Commander-in-Chief in the last century, very few and far between now.
The Bush family have been major players on the political landscape of the US for generations, so even a gimp like Dubya was destined to achieve a position of power.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Genuine question. Are you being serious or glib?
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Just watching clips of his speech from last night on the news.
How scary that he has a chance of becoming president of the world's most powerful nation.
Soundbites and rhetoric are to be expected in these types of victory speeches, but his language, demeanour and the expectations he is now setting are just plain dangerous. I hope that a) there are no more Hilary stories waiting to be revealed; and b) that there is no terrorist activity in the US as polling day approaches. Either of these (and especially the latter), risks giving Trump a shoe-in for the presidency.
Nervous times.
How scary that he has a chance of becoming president of the world's most powerful nation.
Soundbites and rhetoric are to be expected in these types of victory speeches, but his language, demeanour and the expectations he is now setting are just plain dangerous. I hope that a) there are no more Hilary stories waiting to be revealed; and b) that there is no terrorist activity in the US as polling day approaches. Either of these (and especially the latter), risks giving Trump a shoe-in for the presidency.
Nervous times.
I beg your pardon?
I'm being serious? Why don't you give us all your views steff I'm intrigued! Let me guess? Ooh ooh all Trump supporters are racist? Am I right?
I would not say that all Trump supporters are racist -- but, when the former head of the KKK endorses him, clearly some of them are. I would also say that some of the language Trump uses very deliberately courts the votes of people with racist views. Don't they call it 'dog whistle politics' ?
A bit like Corbyn and anti-semites then?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
The word racist is thrown around a lot ( mostly by ignorent people) everyone has their views on what they assume is racist and it does not only fit with the colour of ones skin.
Politicions are the worse as they see the fears of voters as a way of collecting votes, in all honesty its very hard to find anyone who is not " racist" in some form.
Politicions are the worse as they see the fears of voters as a way of collecting votes, in all honesty its very hard to find anyone who is not " racist" in some form.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
What the fudge! The fascist said that all Mexicans were rapists. He wants to ban Muslims from entering the country. That's racists and he will attract racist voters because of it. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to ban Muslims from this country. I'd just also like to ban Christians, Buddhists etc.
StephenH
David Ginola
I've a soft spot for Buddhists - the rest I agree
They're the worst. Russell Brand's a Buddhist (sorry to use the nuclear option like that in a good discussion).
StephenH
David Ginola
Feck me - no he's just a pillock surely?
Yes my hard-decision making, super realist, all knowing, war strategist friend. It is exactly like that.
It's "hard-decision making, super realist, all knowing, war strategist friend Sir " to you.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I imagine this chap polarises a lot of people with his views, literature and screen work, but interesting article nonetheless (not enough space to copy the full article, 5 reasons are within the article):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html
Friends:
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”
Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.
I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly - “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!
You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts - “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!“ - or logic - “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!“ - is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “asmall plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to - we need to - hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a brick show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”
Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen - and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.
Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women - check. Abortion should be legal - check. Stronger environmental laws - check. More gun control - check. Legalize marijuana - check. A huge shift has taken place - just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.
But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November - who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, dingdong and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.
“You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html
Friends:
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”
Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.
I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly - “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!
You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts - “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!“ - or logic - “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!“ - is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “asmall plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to - we need to - hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a brick show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”
Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen - and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.
Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women - check. Abortion should be legal - check. Stronger environmental laws - check. More gun control - check. Legalize marijuana - check. A huge shift has taken place - just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.
But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November - who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, dingdong and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.
“You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real.”