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I agree with a lot of what you say, but the dude is crazy and it is no use trying to work out what crazy people do.

Assad is certainly an evil man, but I'm not convinced he is irrational. His primary interest is his own survival and staying in power. Using chemical weapons at a time when his side is winning the war and potentially pushing the Americans into more aggressive action does not make sense.

Of course, there may be commanders in his military who think differently and use them regardless of what he thinks, as was apparently the case in 2013 according to German intelligence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild

President Bashar al-Assad did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months, a German newspaper has reported , citing unidentified, high-level national security sources.


The intelligence findings were based on phone calls intercepted by a German surveillance ship operated by the BND, the German intelligence service, and deployed off the Syrian coast, Bild am Sonntag said. The intercepted communications suggested Assad... was not himself involved in last month's attack or in other instances when government forces have allegedly used chemical weapons.


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There was also a CIA theory, corroborated by Saddam Hussein, that Saddam Hussein himself did not order the gas attack on Halabja, but that one of his military commanders did it without his consent. This is touched on by the CIA agent who debriefed Saddam after they kidnapped him in Iraq: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ddam-Hussein-says-thought-knew-man-WRONG.html

My superiors were delighted at the progress we were making, yet something nagged at me about the exchange. My gut told me that there was some truth in what Saddam had said. He was incensed about Halabja. Not because his officers had used chemical weapons – he showed no remorse – but because it had given Iran a propaganda field day.

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Things are never straightforward in these situations. Consider things such as this: http://news.sky.com/story/saddams-chemical-attacks-on-iran-aided-by-us-10436232

Recently declassified CIA files show the US knew that Iraq was using chemical weapons in the 1980s, but did nothing to stop Saddam Hussein, a report says.

At one point during the Iran-Iraq war, the US even shared intelligence with Baghdad that it knew would lead to a chemical attack


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Don't kid yourself that those with their fingers on the pulse in the American Military give a sh1t about dead babies, any more than pr1cks like Assad and Putin do. We are told lies all the time and it tends to come to light years after the fact, but by then the interventionists (re. war mongers) cheerled by establishment media have waged another war. We are told to care about certain groups of people dying at certain times, whilst others are ignored. People swallow this brick every single time and end up beating the drum for war themselves. Then when it all goes to sh1t, the same people act like they always knew it was a bad idea. Too late by then.
 



Don't kid yourself that those with their fingers on the pulse in the American Military give a sh1t about dead babies, any more than pr1cks like Assad and Putin do. We are told lies all the time and it tends to come to light years after the fact, but by then the interventionists (re. war mongers) cheerled by establishment media have waged another war. We are told to care about certain groups of people dying at certain times, whilst others are ignored. People swallow this brick every single time and end up beating the drum for war themselves. Then when it all goes to sh1t, the same people act like they always knew it was a bad idea. Too late by then.

I think a lot of the issue comes from whether people have an inbuilt distrust of America, combine that with the fact a lot of people hate Trump(he is sexist, racist etc) they are not going to believe Americas side to the story at the moment. But also worth noting that the French who did not back the Iraq war backed the American bombing of the airfield.

Personally just to shut the Russians up they should probably send the UN inspectors in, but then it just becomes a political football while innocent people sadly die.

I am all for Russia showing a stronger hand, not because I like Russia or Putin, but I firmly believe the death of the EU is going to come about quicker when Putin is moving his chess pieces, knowing a few Russians and how they think. Putin is already thinking about 5 years time and moving things around for then when with any luck he rolls into the former eastern block countries.

Also @the dza you linked an article from the daily mail so I believe the rule of this site is to discount anything said in the aforementioned post, now go outside and beat your naked body with a stick.
 


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Don't kid yourself that those with their fingers on the pulse in the American Military give a sh1t about dead babies, any more than pr1cks like Assad and Putin do. We are told lies all the time and it tends to come to light years after the fact, but by then the interventionists (re. war mongers) cheerled by establishment media have waged another war. We are told to care about certain groups of people dying at certain times, whilst others are ignored. People swallow this brick every single time and end up beating the drum for war themselves. Then when it all goes to sh1t, the same people act like they always knew it was a bad idea. Too late by then.


The most sensible and truthful post in this thread for several pages.
 
So, in a demonstration of d1ck swinging, America dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb ever used, on Afghanistan, targeting ISIS (and killing a good few of them). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-were-falling-afghans-reel-from-moabs-impact

This is a little worrying. If Putin now wants to prove he "measures up" to Trump and drops some phucking huge bombs on Syria at the behest of Assad, then where will it go?

At the moment, it all seems symbolic. Hopefully things don't escalate.
 
So, in a demonstration of d1ck swinging, America dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb ever used, on Afghanistan, targeting ISIS (and killing a good few of them). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-were-falling-afghans-reel-from-moabs-impact

This is a little worrying. If Putin now wants to prove he "measures up" to Trump and drops some phucking huge bombs on Syria at the behest of Assad, then where will it go?

At the moment, it all seems symbolic. Hopefully things don't escalate.


America dropping bombs on other countries, nothing new in that its what they do.
 
This really makes any talk of Trump and Russia look a bit silly.
Which imho is exactly why Don has attacked the Syrian airbase and now this attack in Afghanistan drives home his warmongering credentials to the ultra rght in the US.

It's political scam pure and simple
 
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Don't kid yourself that those with their fingers on the pulse in the American Military give a sh1t about dead babies, any more than pr1cks like Assad and Putin do. We are told lies all the time and it tends to come to light years after the fact, but by then the interventionists (re. war mongers) cheerled by establishment media have waged another war. We are told to care about certain groups of people dying at certain times, whilst others are ignored. People swallow this brick every single time and end up beating the drum for war themselves. Then when it all goes to sh1t, the same people act like they always knew it was a bad idea. Too late by then.

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Indeed; just like Saddam Hussein was lauded as being a "Great Moderate Leader" in the Middle East (whilst being supplied his bombs and chemical weapons to attack Iran);
Just like Blair and the like paid great state visits to Gaddafi calling him a "great leader" - after years of calling him a terrible dictator (remember when Thatcher and Reagan bombed Libya in the mid-80s?) and years before then sending in the hit squad to topple him...

Yeah, anybody just simply thinking that America/"The Allies" intervene anywhere for any reasons apart from Economic or long-term geopolitical goals (or care a jot about poor babies being killed by chemical weapons or otherwise) needs to wake up and stop drinking...
 
Oh, and can anybody tell me how one in Syria tells the difference between "The Syrian rebels" (who the UK and US Governments arm/wanted to arm) and "ISIS/Islamic State" (who are the "bad, bad people" in the Middle East right)?
 
Oh, and can anybody tell me how one in Syria tells the difference between "The Syrian rebels" (who the UK and US Governments arm/wanted to arm) and "ISIS/Islamic State" (who are the "bad, bad people" in the Middle East right)?
There was a clear difference back when we should have acted, now not so much.

ISIS were barely involved when Labour played politics with the lives of Syrians to try and gain a few votes from hippies and students.
 
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Indeed; just like Saddam Hussein was lauded as being a "Great Moderate Leader" in the Middle East (whilst being supplied his bombs and chemical weapons to attack Iran);
Just like Blair and the like paid great state visits to Gaddafi calling him a "great leader" - after years of calling him a terrible dictator (remember when Thatcher and Reagan bombed Libya in the mid-80s?) and years before then sending in the hit squad to topple him...

Yeah, anybody just simply thinking that America/"The Allies" intervene anywhere for any reasons apart from Economic or long-term geopolitical goals (or care a jot about poor babies being killed by chemical weapons or otherwise) needs to wake up and stop drinking...
Or could it simply be that there was a point at which Saddam was the least bad of a really bad bunch? Or that his behaviour changed in a manner that became unacceptable?

If you expect everything and everyone to be put into such simple distinctions as good or bad and expect them to stay there forever then everything is going to sound like some ridiculous conspiracy.

Especially when there's bronze age religion involved - in that case the only thing you can guarantee is people not acting rationally.
 
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So, in a demonstration of d1ck swinging, America dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb ever used, on Afghanistan, targeting ISIS (and killing a good few of them). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-were-falling-afghans-reel-from-moabs-impact

This is a little worrying. If Putin now wants to prove he "measures up" to Trump and drops some phucking huge bombs on Syria at the behest of Assad, then where will it go?

At the moment, it all seems symbolic. Hopefully things don't escalate.
I'm more concerned about North Korea.

We absolutely cannot allow them to build a nuclear arsenal, but without China being onside I don't think we have a hope of stopping them.
 
There was a clear difference back when we should have acted, now not so much.

ISIS were barely involved when Labour played politics with the lives of Syrians to try and gain a few votes from hippies and students.

You say this sh1t every time and every time it's wrong. A certain irony that you only say it to play politics yourself and are totally ignorant about this subject.
 
You say this sh1t every time and every time it's wrong. A certain irony that you only say it to play politics yourself and are totally ignorant about this subject.
So tell me how active ISIS were in Syria early in the conflict please.....
 
So tell me how active ISIS were in Syria early in the conflict please.....

You keep babbling on about Isis but forget about Al Qaeda/Al Nusra. There was no "clear difference" between them and "moderate" rebels, you may remember a video from the time of a "moderate" rebel eating the heart of someone he had killed and reports of other war crimes as well. It's always worked out so well, supporting these people.

It's not as if British bombs have any relevance at all, like bringing a sparkler to a fireworks display. Our politicians just like to feel important, but we are a second rate military power. Obama went to congress and knew he would lose the vote for military action, so didn't push it, then took the diplomatic offer for Syria to remove their chemical weapons.

And if you think Russia and Iran would have just sat back and let Assad fall to Saudi backed factions (among others and before Isis) then I think you are very much mistaken.
 
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