Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
Yeah, not sure Danso is back though. Might be wrong.
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OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur v woolwich *** 22.2.26
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Yeah, not sure Danso is back though. Might be wrong.
Tudor has said probably two back for the Fulham game - likely to be Porro and Danso....
Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
That's cool. The PL.com website still says 15th March.
We need every available player.
Same as you. I hate it. It only works if the wing backs can contribute going forward. I mentioned in a thread in the week it would be strange for Tudor to stick with it knowing the personnel available at the moment. And then we had it yesterday. So he's saying to us he cant adapt to the players available.
I'd have more time for it if he at least threw Souza in left and Spence right. A closer and better balanced fit.
But tbh I think 3CB is unnecessary with most teams having one striker to look after. Too many cooks etc. I'd rather have the extra player in midfield, stopping things at source.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
As long as his performances and discipline are good enough under Tudor that's all that matters for the rest of the season. If he's then seen as someone to keep or not come the summer (I think not) is a question for the summer.
If his performances aren't there or if his discipline isn't there under Tudor it's a different question.
Tudor for me has to set his standards and use whatever players are available. If they respond well to him and his standards right now we need that, we desperately need that. Even if that player has been problematic in the past.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
Is there a system/formation the currently available players are well suited to? Particularly in a game against a very good team. Seems to me like we'd be imbalanced no matter what.
It's not like we packed a flat back 5 at the back. And I definitely don't think that's how Tudor wants us to play in other games either.
Souza for his full debut in the NLD up against Saka, I think that would be asking a hell of a lot of the lad.
Silly McSilly Face
Kasey Keller
Mentality and right balance of youth and experience is a big part of recruitment. For example there was a really insightful article i read about Tudor's body language and frustration during the game at Van der Ven. Apparently he kept telling the defence to push up but VDV kept staying deep against instructions pulling our entire line deeper.
People seem to think that Van der Ven is a good player and in some respects he is. But i've always though his tactical and positional instincts are highly suspect and that this is masked to an extent by his pace, but if he's dragging the entire defensive line deeper and deeper intentionally or unintentially due to lack of confidence - that there is a huge issue.
Biggest thing Poch did was drop first teamers in his first season that wouldn't follow instructions. He'd play Bentaleb, Mason and Townsend because they were willing to play the aggressive risky way he wanted.
Mr Gogolak
Luke Young
VDV was well-suited to the way Postecoglou set us up, until the injuries came along. When I'm in a bad mood (which is every time I've been watching Spurs for the past two years), I think he's a luxury version of Anthony Gardner. He's got a better all-round technique, but his positioning is only marginally better and, what's worse, it looks like he's thinking a little too high of himself, presumably because Romero's attitude has rubbed off him.
It's not his fault he's unsuited to anything but 'Angeball'. It's on the club for appointing managers with completely different philosophies every other year.
The sad thing is that the new manager will want to 'assess the squad' which means that he will either be fired before the end of next season or we'll waste another year trying to fit round pegs into square holes.
SteveAWOL
Erik Thorstvedt
I hope you're not trying to insinuate that Vicario was anything but an astute piece of bargain hunting by our glorious transfer committee!
Next you'll be saying that Raya is better with the ball at his feet too...
Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I struggle to believe that he was successful with 15 tbh. His distribution yesterday was a different level of bad.
SteveAWOL
Erik Thorstvedt
Bishop
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Sadly I think the truth is no. Even if everyone were fit the first 11 has some pretty glaring holes, add a few injuries and it just looks quite inept.
I think at times you can outplay your qualities or base level if the balance is right, if you have players whose attributes compensate for the weaknesses of their teammates, crating a sum better than the constituent parts if you will. Other times you can have what I call Moments FC players or Gamebreakers. These are the players who typically have extreme quality in an area and are able to deploy that ability regardless of their personal form or even the game state (United have been doing this for 10 years and again this year with the additions of Mbuemo and Cunha). These are players who turn losses into draws or draws into wins. We had a couple doing this for us after the Poch era in Son and Kane. They could do their thing irrespective of what else was going on, that's gone now.
This is where I really struggle with this squad and why you've probably noticed me cussing it constantly for years at this point. It's so unbalanced, it's not a squad of good quality balanced compensatory systeme players who slot in neatly and maximize their return. It's not a weak squad with a couple of standout game changers. It's a bland melange of system players but for the wrong systems, attempted game changers who aren't of standard.
It's been quite a remarkable task to achieve this. We have so many midfielders of the sameish skillets. There's just no real way of changing whatever approach we have in a game because whomever we bring on as a replacement is more of the same rather than bringing something different to the table.
If we survive in the summer we need to have a real hard look at this "squad" and make some strong decisions because we are sleepwalking into the abyss.
Robbo
Jack Jull
If our five relegation competitors pick up the same points per game for the rest of the season as they have so far, two wins would keep us safe on GD:
Leeds 44 p
Forest 38 p
Spurs 35 p
West Ham 35 p
Burnley 27 p
Wolves 14 p
Obviously this is not how it will pan out, and I think we will need at least three wins + a few draws to take us up to 40 points. That should probably be suficcient.
mudshark
Simon Davies
Romero was given a 4-match suspension, so he won't be back until the Liverpool game.
Kandi1977
Teddy Sheringham
The players we'd want to sell will probably get long term injuries, and become unsellable, forcing us to terminate contracts, and leaving us short of money, so the players we buy will be no better.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
I fully expect over half that starting line up to not be here next year
That’s quite scary but we won’t keep the loan players, biss is gone on a free, Vic and drago will go back to Italy and I suspect t Sarr will end up at palace or Brentford
And yet that team was probably as good ish as we could field yesterday which was bad
And how these super smart mangers cannot see the need to play a left footed player on the left amazes me. seeing Spence and Xavi fighting to come inside every time was so bad
That’s quite scary but we won’t keep the loan players, biss is gone on a free, Vic and drago will go back to Italy and I suspect t Sarr will end up at palace or Brentford
And yet that team was probably as good ish as we could field yesterday which was bad
And how these super smart mangers cannot see the need to play a left footed player on the left amazes me. seeing Spence and Xavi fighting to come inside every time was so bad
Mulletperm
Mitchell Thomas
That highlights massively the problem with having a right-footed player playing at left-back with Vicario not trusting to go left from the back. Makes it incredibly easy for opposition to close down the right as they know with almost certainty that is where the ball is going to go when played short.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
Seeing a fair bit of talk from fans that we didnt expect to beat Woolwich but were just looking for a bit of fight and didn’t get it.
I’d have to disagree. I thought the players worked hard and it was largely down to their effort that we were level at half time.
I thought we were just outclassed. Totally and utterly. I wonder if fans mean “I don’t mind being beaten by them as long as we’re competitive.” In fairness, we weren’t really competitive but that, in my opinion, was due to a gulf in class not a gulf in effort.
I’d have to disagree. I thought the players worked hard and it was largely down to their effort that we were level at half time.
I thought we were just outclassed. Totally and utterly. I wonder if fans mean “I don’t mind being beaten by them as long as we’re competitive.” In fairness, we weren’t really competitive but that, in my opinion, was due to a gulf in class not a gulf in effort.
Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Which is fair enough, and yet Brentford and Wolves took points from Arsenal in their last two games. Is there not a gulf in class there too? How do they get draws and we get spanked 1-4 at home?
Every game is different, of course, but I thought we were a mess on Sunday and I wasn’t seeing players really grasping that we are in serious danger - too many half-arsing it imo.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
I thought Woolwich were very, very good against us. They pressed very well and suffocated us. They looked much, much better drilled than us.
Both Wolves and Brentford had had longer with their respective coaches than Tudor has had with us and, incredibly, Brentford are a better side than us at the moment particularly with the injuries we have. Tudor had 5 days and it showed – I saw confusion amongst the players on who should be pressing on more than one occasion. I thought we looked a mess but that wasn’t because of effort. I’d put it down to lack of time with the manager, a very patched up side, morale which must be through the floor and a dearth of options and quality from the bench to try and change things.