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Igor the Interim

Bullet said:
That is an extremely boring and uninteresting interview. I massively struggled to stay interested. I hope he has more pep in his delivery when talking to the team.

Regarding today's display, I was very disappointed how we sat off and let Arse do whatever they wanted. We had no press and just sat back and waited. The only good thing was that video on Twitter of Tudor urging VdV to push up (even though VdV ignored him).
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How ironic that MvdV should say “really important for the players who are fit right now to step up” in his recent interview with Dawson then proceed to ignore Tudor’s instructions to do so in NLD; although it would be understandable that Micky might be concerned about suffering a career defining injury (like Kulusevski) should his hamstrings have to endure another season of sprinting back from the halfway line.

We desperately need an elite manager at the helm next season who commands absolute respect from our entire squad and can bring in his own fitness team who they’ll be trust to keep them out of the operating theatre 🚑

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Bedfordspurs said:
He has a few things to address
The players aren’t fit enough. They talked about that on the radio on the way home and they referenced something Igor had said (I haven’t read that anywhere else though)
Gonna be hard changing the confidence and actually convincing the players they are better than this, the all look like they ah e been told for 6 months every team we play is better than us

If he is wedded to 3 at the back play a left footed left side. criminally bad how blunt we looked wide when neither “wing back” could do the wing bit

If you have kids who you trust to put them on the bench you have to also trust them to come on…
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This is not all on Frank although undoubtedly he has to shoulder some of the blane. We've been really poor in the league now for 2 seasons. Injuries have definitely not helped but we look all over the place defensively now which is a worry. Dragusin is not match fit after that long lay off. He looked better before the injury imho.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
He has a few things to address
The players aren’t fit enough. They talked about that on the radio on the way home and they referenced something Igor had said (I haven’t read that anywhere else though)
Gonna be hard changing the confidence and actually convincing the players they are better than this, the all look like they ah e been told for 6 months every team we play is better than us

If he is wedded to 3 at the back play a left footed left side. criminally bad how blunt we looked wide when neither “wing back” could do the wing bit

If you have kids who you trust to put them on the bench you have to also trust them to come on…
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Welcome back mate :)....
 
Bishop said:
People put way too much into the words of the managers they like or dislike. It's just words at the end of the day. The proof will be in the pudding as the cliche goes.

I don't give a fudge what the manager says in the press conference I judge purely on what they put on the pitch.
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Yep, that is what I was saying. It's like tactics and results. Until you've got a big data set you can't really form opinions. All of our past and present managers would have said the same thing.

thfcsteff said:
What???
I count at least FOUR assumptions there, based on a 100% intangible.
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Yep, I also call them opinions. Assumptions and opinions are the norm on football forums.
 
I guess it is now all about what Igor learned from seeing the players in a tough match day situation.

I certainly feel that in his back 3 he knew that both Palhinha and Dragusin can't really play his version of RCB. That is his first dilemma to think about. He might be better off instating Souza at LWB and playing Gray at RCB with Palhinha or Dragu central. I guess we don't really know enough about Souza yet to really know whether this is feasible.

Mostly though, it looked on first impressions that Igor has the same dilemma as Ange and Frank in that he needs to get the midfield functioning better. Ange had a fit Solanke, Frank didn't. Let's hope Igor does. I think that makes a big difference.

As we all know, Igor hasn't got the time that the other two had. He needs quick fixes.
 
SteveAWOL said:
How ironic that MvdV should say “really important for the players who are fit right now to step up” in his recent interview with Dawson then proceed to ignore Tudor’s instructions to do so in NLD; although it would be understandable that Micky might be concerned about suffering a career defining injury (like Kulusevski) should his hamstrings have to endure another season of sprinting back from the halfway line.

We desperately need an elite manager at the helm next season who commands absolute respect from our entire squad and can bring in his own fitness team who they’ll be trust to keep them out of the operating theatre 🚑

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If we got an elite manager we'd need elite players to go along with that. I think we should stay with the mediocre managers, it suits the levels of our players better.
 
Robspur12 said:
This is not all on Frank although undoubtedly he has to shoulder some of the blane. We've been really poor in the league now for 2 seasons. Injuries have definitely not helped but we look all over the place defensively now which is a worry. Dragusin is not match fit after that long lay off. He looked better before the injury imho.
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Dragusin looked good? When? These concerns were always there. The excuse that he might look better under a box defending coach like Frank was even made. Dragusin is what he is, his limitations are what they are.
 
Muttley said:
I guess it is now all about what Igor learned from seeing the players in a tough match day situation.

I certainly feel that in his back 3 he knew that both Palhinha and Dragusin can't really play his version of RCB. That is his first dilemma to think about. He might be better off instating Souza at LWB and playing Gray at RCB with Palhinha or Dragu central. I guess we don't really know enough about Souza yet to really know whether this is feasible.

Mostly though, it looked on first impressions that Igor has the same dilemma as Ange and Frank in that he needs to get the midfield functioning better. Ange had a fit Solanke, Frank didn't. Let's hope Igor does. I think that makes a big difference.

As we all know, Igor hasn't got the time that the other two had. He needs quick fixes.
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Have to feel sorry for him, 13 players who are a mix of kids, useless or underperforming established types like MVDV who has been well below the standard at points this season.

I didn't think it, maybe twinged with arrogance from myself, but we are bang in trouble, we look utterly broken
 
SteveAWOL said:
How ironic that MvdV should say “really important for the players who are fit right now to step up” in his recent interview with Dawson then proceed to ignore Tudor’s instructions to do so in NLD; although it would be understandable that Micky might be concerned about suffering a career defining injury (like Kulusevski) should his hamstrings have to endure another season of sprinting back from the halfway line.

We desperately need an elite manager at the helm next season who commands absolute respect from our entire squad and can bring in his own fitness team who they’ll be trust to keep them out of the operating theatre 🚑

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Did he really ignore Tudor yesterday? I wasn't certain on viewing the clip albeit I saw it once. It looked to me like he had Pahlinha or someone over his shoulder so not sure why he'd have been pushing up alone - could possibly have been Tudor explaining what should have happened during an earlier phase of play. It also looked like VdV had started coming over to Tudor towards the end of the clip to potentially understand what he was trying to communicate.

If VdV was blatantly ignoring Tudor, that'd be grounds for disciplining him or dropping him (if we had someone to come in) but I'm not sure it was.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Have to feel sorry for him, 13 players who are a mix of kids, useless or underperforming established types like MVDV who has been well below the standard at points this season.

I didn't think it, maybe twinged with arrogance from myself, but we are bang in trouble, we look utterly broken
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Yep, sleepwalked into it.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Did he really ignore Tudor yesterday? I wasn't certain on viewing the clip albeit I saw it once. It looked to me like he had Pahlinha or someone over his shoulder so not sure why he'd have been pushing up alone - could possibly have been Tudor explaining what should have happened during an earlier phase of play. It also looked like VdV had started coming over to Tudor towards the end of the clip to potentially understand what he was trying to communicate.

If VdV was blatantly ignoring Tudor, that'd be grounds for disciplining him or dropping him (if we had someone to come in) but I'm not sure it was.
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We already know VDV is willing to not listen to his managers instructions or at the least will modify them when he sees it to do so.
 
Bishop said:
If we got an elite manager we'd need elite players to go along with that. I think we should stay with the mediocre managers, it suits the levels of our players better.
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Looking back through our 3 year (114 PL games) rolling form and it would appear that Crooked Joe’s kids have truly brought us back to where we were before Levy, so mediocre managers combined with limited players would seem like a natural progression as the negative spiral fully takes hold and our rebuild becomes ever more painful…

Feb 2023-current:
13th) Won 41 Drawn 22 Lost 51 For 196 Against 193 Diff +3 Points 145
2020-2023:
5th) Won 60 Drawn 20 Lost 34 For 203 Against 133 Diff +70 Points 200
2017-2020:
3rd) Won 67 Drawn 17 Lost 13 For 218 Against 117 Diff +101 Points 218
2014-2017:
4th) Won 60 Drawn 29 Lost 25 For 199 Against 126 Diff +73 Points 209
2011-2014:
5th) Won 59 Drawn 29 Lost 26 For 185 Against 135 Diff +50 Points 206
2008-2011:
5th) Won 51 Drawn 29 Lost 34 For 167 Against 133 Diff +34 Points 182
2005-2008:
6th) Won 46 Drawn 32 Lost 36 For 171 Against 148 Diff -+23 Points 170
2002-2005:
11th) Won 41 Drawn 23 Lost 50 For 143 Against 166 Diff -23 Points 146
1999-2002:
8th) Won 42 Drawn 25 Lost 47 For 157 Against 157 Diff 0 Points 151
1996-1999:
12th) Won 36 Drawn 34 Lost 44 For 137 Against 152 Diff -15 Points 142
 
We'll see what happens at the end of the season, but I'm really not sure bringing Tudor in for the Arsenal game was such a good idea. There's no such thing as a free hit in football. Should mistakes be made again against Fulham, they will be analysed against the backdrop of our performance (or lack thereof) in the NLD.

If we get a result there, there's a decent chance we make it out of this mess but whatever the outcome, we've really made things incredibly difficult for ourselves, to the point that nobody would be surprised if we were relegated.

I've reached the point where I don't think there's a signle person I'd like to see at the club next season, from the chairman to the tea lady, except for Gray. Instead, we'll get the same core group of players with Pochettino or De Zerbi (assuming we stay up) at the helm.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Looking back through our 3 year (114 PL games) rolling form and it would appear that Crooked Joe’s kids have truly brought us back to where we were before Levy, so mediocre managers combined with limited players would seem like a natural progression as the negative spiral fully takes hold and our rebuild becomes ever more painful…

Feb 2023-current:
13th) Won 41 Drawn 22 Lost 51 For 196 Against 193 Diff +3 Points 145
2020-2023:
5th) Won 60 Drawn 20 Lost 34 For 203 Against 133 Diff +70 Points 200
2017-2020:
3rd) Won 67 Drawn 17 Lost 13 For 218 Against 117 Diff +101 Points 218
2014-2017:
4th) Won 60 Drawn 29 Lost 25 For 199 Against 126 Diff +73 Points 209
2011-2014:
5th) Won 59 Drawn 29 Lost 26 For 185 Against 135 Diff +50 Points 206
2008-2011:
5th) Won 51 Drawn 29 Lost 34 For 167 Against 133 Diff +34 Points 182
2005-2008:
6th) Won 46 Drawn 32 Lost 36 For 171 Against 148 Diff -+23 Points 170
2002-2005:
11th) Won 41 Drawn 23 Lost 50 For 143 Against 166 Diff -23 Points 146
1999-2002:
8th) Won 42 Drawn 25 Lost 47 For 157 Against 157 Diff 0 Points 151
1996-1999:
12th) Won 36 Drawn 34 Lost 44 For 137 Against 152 Diff -15 Points 142
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We won trophies in the two worst three-year periods.
 
It really does feel increasingly like a perfect storm that is going to swallow us. We are as far from united as we can be and you can’t get out of a relegation scrap without being together.

I remember 1994 and 1998 and this feels potentially worse because we have much bigger problems off the pitch than we had then in many ways.

fudge me, I feel depressed about Spurs at the moment. Someone give me something to hold on to.
 
DeanoAustin said:
It really does feel increasingly like a perfect storm that is going to swallow us. We are as far from united as we can be and you can’t get out of a relegation scrap without being together.

I remember 1994 and 1998 and this feels potentially worse because we have much bigger problems off the pitch than we had then in many ways.

fudge me, I feel depressed about Spurs at the moment. Someone give me something to hold on to.
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Tudor has had one game. One of the toughest games of the season. He has experience in situations like this.

We'll have players returning from injuries and, for Romero, suspension. Massively important players too like Romero and Porro.

Muani scored a league goal.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Did he really ignore Tudor yesterday? I wasn't certain on viewing the clip albeit I saw it once. It looked to me like he had Pahlinha or someone over his shoulder so not sure why he'd have been pushing up alone - could possibly have been Tudor explaining what should have happened during an earlier phase of play. It also looked like VdV had started coming over to Tudor towards the end of the clip to potentially understand what he was trying to communicate.

If VdV was blatantly ignoring Tudor, that'd be grounds for disciplining him or dropping him (if we had someone to come in) but I'm not sure it was.
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Not seen the specific clip...

Tudor shouting instructions that the players aren't able to correctly execute should be expected at this point, no?
 
braineclipse said:
Not seen the specific clip...

Tudor shouting instructions that the players aren't able to correctly execute should be expected at this point, no?
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The case for the prosecution here was that Tudor was pleading with him to push up and VdV looked at him with disdain and didn’t do it. It wasn’t anything complicated he was allegedly being asked to do.

I’m not sure if that interpretation of events is correct. It’s hard to know and sometimes clips like that can be difficult to judge in isolation. In situations where emotions are running high, I guess people will make of it what they want to (potentially including me).

Be interesting to hear what Tudor has to say when he’s asked this week. He doesn’t strike me as the type to flimflam an answer.
 
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