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Transfer thread

robp135 said:
If we want Wharton and we are head to head with Liverpool, we have to offer Palace £100M if Liverpool are prepared to bid £80M. If RB Leipzig want £100M for Diomande we have to take the plunge. And I understand the ramifications of the club over paying in tranfer fees and wages, but the only other alternative is to stick to their guns on the buying young players and developing model and hoping that in 2/3 years the bulk of them have come good.
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This resonates with me. It's the quality over quantity argument.

What happens if Spurs buy 2 players in a summer window of the quality you talk about. Then in the January window they buy just one, again of this elite quality. Alongside, keep buying these younger players (e.g. Souza) and nurturing them whilst selling players for the types of money we got for Johnson.

I've lost count of the sheer number of players Spurs buy. They take their budgets and they spread them way too thin and it hurts us on the pitch. As City have just shown, I don't think you need to be spending £100m on every signing but there is that high end price you need to pay.

If we follow this model for 3-5 years then our club will find itself in a different place.
 
Muttley said:
This resonates with me. It's the quality over quantity argument.

What happens if Spurs buy 2 players in a summer window of the quality you talk about. Then in the January window they buy just one, again of this elite quality. Alongside, keep buying these younger players (e.g. Souza) and nurturing them whilst selling players for the types of money we got for Johnson.

I've lost count of the sheer number of players Spurs buy. They take their budgets and they spread them way too thin and it hurts us on the pitch. As City have just shown, I don't think you need to be spending £100m on every signing but there is that high end price you need to pay.

If we follow this model for 3-5 years then our club will find itself in a different place.
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From what I understand, the wage structure is the reason why we don't follow that pattern. The reasoning behind that is that if you 'break the bank' for one player, then others will start asking for bigger wages and your expenditure will spiral out of control. I think Middlesboro and Leeds set up an example of a route a lot of chairmen didn't want to follow.

Unfortunately, we went a bit too far in the other direction. You can't have a team entirely made up of prospects. It's not the 90s anymore and what Ferguson did at ManUtd won't happen again. It's a different league now. You also need quality, experienced professionals with strong work ethics and winning habits in your squad and that's a balance we never managed to get right, unfortunately.
 
Muttley said:
This resonates with me. It's the quality over quantity argument.

What happens if Spurs buy 2 players in a summer window of the quality you talk about. Then in the January window they buy just one, again of this elite quality. Alongside, keep buying these younger players (e.g. Souza) and nurturing them whilst selling players for the types of money we got for Johnson.

I've lost count of the sheer number of players Spurs buy. They take their budgets and they spread them way too thin and it hurts us on the pitch. As City have just shown, I don't think you need to be spending £100m on every signing but there is that high end price you need to pay.

If we follow this model for 3-5 years then our club will find itself in a different place.
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So 3-5 years of signing 3 elite quality players per year, price range of 60-100m each? Say an average of 70m so that's 210m on those per season/year + increased wages and some spending on younger players and we'll be in a good place?

Sure that would probably work if we could make that happen financially.

I agree that at this point quality over quantity along with a focus on young proper talents. I just don't see it as likely that we can spend that much, and if we did we'd need to see results on the pitch quicker than a 3-5 year period.
 
Moaning and groaning on every Spurs forum everywhere but as far as I can see not accounting for inflation this season has seen the highest net outlay ever on transfers.
 
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To be honest I wasn't expecting any incoming players this window.

If the plan is to part company with Frank at some point this season why buy players he wants rather than wait until the summer and get players in and out that yhe new manager wants.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
Moaning and groaning on every Spurs forum everywhere but as far as I can see not accounting for inflation this season has seen the highest net outlay ever on transfers.
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People are moaning because the new old owners have specifically and repeatedly said

- The reason they got rid of Levy was they expected more on field success
- That they would invest, make money available, change the wage structure

Net spend should go up, every year since Covid the stadium is growing in revenue, additional non-football events, Karting etc. (all the brick people liked to poke fun at Levy for), we have the 9th highest revenue in world football (and yes, I know there is more to it than just revenue)

Truth is, they have pulled a huge bait and switch

- They trotted out their new vision right as the summer window closed (where we didn't push out the boat for Semenyo or anyone at elite level)
- They talked it up again in December, Vinai statement, mouthpiece messaging, even Frank saying we went for Semenyo

No one should be happy, not fans, not player, not Frank, this window is a disaster

- We are 14th (money lost per position)
- We will lose European football next season (money lost)
- We will lose prestige, that hurts the club to attract sponsors and new fans
- We will lose points for future European participation which hurts our chances to get better draws
- We have 11 players out, which in turn is creating more problems by running the remaining players into the ground

And in that environment, our plan is to offload more players than we bring in? swap one first team player for another, buy a couple of kids and effectively leave the squad worse off than the window when it started.

And people are defending this? no good buys, hard window, saving powder for summer (ignoring the loss of revenue, ignoring who are you attracting with no European football)

Simple question, these asshats couldn't find a single fudging loan player in all of Europe that might have been able to help us?
 
Muttley said:
This resonates with me. It's the quality over quantity argument.

What happens if Spurs buy 2 players in a summer window of the quality you talk about. Then in the January window they buy just one, again of this elite quality. Alongside, keep buying these younger players (e.g. Souza) and nurturing them whilst selling players for the types of money we got for Johnson.

I've lost count of the sheer number of players Spurs buy. They take their budgets and they spread them way too thin and it hurts us on the pitch. As City have just shown, I don't think you need to be spending £100m on every signing but there is that high end price you need to pay.

If we follow this model for 3-5 years then our club will find itself in a different place.
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Especially if we are not in Europe next season

Porro, Spence, Udogie, Romero, VDV, Danso, Vuskovic, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Gallagher, Maddison, Xavi, Kulusevski, Kudus, Odobert, Solanke, Tel. That’s 18 outfield players that for the most part we are happy with so you we are way better off spending £150M on 2x players than one.

Of course this misses the need for a new keeper 🤣
 
robp135 said:
Especially if we are not in Europe next season

Porro, Spence, Udogie, Romero, VDV, Danso, Vuskovic, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Gallagher, Maddison, Xavi, Kulusevski, Kudus, Odobert, Solanke, Tel. That’s 18 outfield players that for the most part we are happy with so you we are way better off spending £150M on 2x players than one.

Of course this misses the need for a new keeper 🤣
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Two GKs

- Vic wants out, lots of noise of going back to Italy (yes, I'm sure some will be happy)
- We are clearly trying to punt Kinsky
 
robp135 said:
Especially if we are not in Europe next season

Porro, Spence, Udogie, Romero, VDV, Danso, Vuskovic, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Gallagher, Maddison, Xavi, Kulusevski, Kudus, Odobert, Solanke, Tel. That’s 18 outfield players that for the most part we are happy with so you we are way better off spending £150M on 2x players than one.

Of course this misses the need for a new keeper 🤣
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Romero, VDV and Bergvall won't be here next season unless something very dramatically happens in the next 4 or 5 months.
 
Raziel said:
Two GKs

- Vic wants out, lots of noise of going back to Italy (yes, I'm sure some will be happy)
- We are clearly trying to punt Kinsky
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Get Ter Stegan on a decent wage but cheap fee and a loan backup. Send Kinsky out and hope he develops and comes back in 1/2 years to be #1.

Ter Stegen/GK
Porro/Spence
Romero/Danso
VDV/Vuskovic
Robertson/Udogie
CDM/Gray
Bergvall/Sarr
Gallagher/Maddison
Xavi/Kulusevski
Kudus/Odobert
Solanke/Young CF
LWF/Tel

You have spent small money on Ter Stegan, Robertson and a backup keeper even if they are in decent wages. Your backup Strikers are Tel an one of Lankshear, Wilson or Melia. You can then go and spend big on the 2 key positions.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Romero, VDV and Bergvall won't be here next season unless something very dramatically happens in the next 4 or 5 months.
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Bergvall will probably take the risk of one more season.

Romero, Vic, Porro, VDV will probably want out and made some noise already, and can find bidders
Biss & Davies will be out of contract
RKM & Paulhinha loans will be over

With Frank & Lange, needing 8 or so first team players replaced, no European football to attract anyone, fudging depressing thought
 
robp135 said:
Get Ter Stegan on a decent wage but cheap fee and a loan backup. Send Kinsky out and hope he develops and comes back in 1/2 years to be #1.

Ter Stegen/GK
Porro/Spence
Romero/Danso
VDV/Vuskovic
Robertson/Udogie
CDM/Gray
Bergvall/Sarr
Gallagher/Maddison
Xavi/Kulusevski
Kudus/Odobert
Solanke/Young CF
LWF/Tel

You have spent small money on Ter Stegan, Robertson and a backup keeper even if they are in decent wages. Your backup Strikers are Tel an one of Lankshear, Wilson or Melia. You can then go and spend big on the 2 key positions.
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That's almost exactly as I have it - with Wharton, Agahowa and Diomande the dream signings to plug those holes. GHod knows on GK. I'd take Paulhinha for c.£10m if it didn't impact our other signings.
 
DaveT316 said:
That's almost exactly as I have it - with Wharton, Agahowa and Diomande the dream signings to plug those holes. GHod knows on GK. I'd take Paulhinha for c.£10m if it didn't impact our other signings.
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Palhinha's option price is pretty much academy kid money anyway, we would be negligent not to pick him up
 
Muttley said:
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Of course there is always space for elite players in our squad in the transfer market. Agree with you on that one. However, if that level player is not available in a January window then I'm quite happy we sat on our wallet. I might be wrong but I only really saw one genuinely big transfer in this window and that was Semenyo. I think that may talk a lot to the market and why Spurs transfers of Gallagher and Johnson were probably in the top 5 or 6. I'm not sure what happened in the rest of Europe and what elite players we may have missed out on though.
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And yet our incompetent transfer committee allowed this CL finalist to slip through our fingers :mad:

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