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Transfer thread

glorygloryeze said:
Decent. So should we just not make any further additions to the squad and continue to be tardy in getting players next summer because we did ok against PL opposition this preseason?
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I've got mixed up with what you and Lillbaz were discussing tbh I thought it was a discussion about preseason schedules and the impact it was having
 
Muttley said:
It's an interesting equation. How can all of these be true at the same time?

1) We desperately need 2 or 3 more quality additions
2) Fans have only identified Richi and Biss that are surplus 1st team.
3) 1st team players will have to miss out on the UEFA squad as it's too big
4) Most of the U21s are being shipped out on loan, with no 1st team space available

There is something clearly amiss here and I think it always comes back to the quantity over quality equation. Are we still buying too many players that don't have high enough ceilings? Our squad is rammed.
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1. We do indeed.

2. There are quite a few players who could be moved on if we bring in new players, especially if we bring in the right new players. Bissouma, Davies, Richarlison, Solomon & Gill could/should all depart our club.

3. So what? We're not going to win the Champions League, we can name all of our players in our PL squad. If a few miss out on the CL squad then those players can be fresher for the PL games.

As things stand even with all those players included and all of our injured players included and naming 3 keepers in our squad we would still have space for another player in the squad to bring us up to the 25 players over 21 that we can name.

Considering Maddison is out for at least the first half of this season that is 2 additonal players we could name. If we assume that we move on Solomon and Gill then there are even two spare places for overseas players. If we also moved on Bissouma and Richarlison then we'd have 4 spaces for overseas players.

Don't make excuses for the club not adding to our squad. By all means say we're not making more signings as we can't afford to make them financially but don't make excuses about the squad being too big. It isn't.

4. That is not why they are being shipped out. All could be named in our PL squad and some could appear in our CL squad. They are being shipped out on loan because they're not good enough yet (and may never be) and they need to play regularly at a lower level to gain experience and improve in the hope that they may become good enough one day in years to come.

Our squad is not rammed. It is undersized to play across all competitions. As evidenced last season when our fatigue and injury situation was terrible and we had to put all our eggs in the Europa League basket.
 
Muttley said:
On your second point, we are way beyond that at this point. There are no massive holes or imbalances in the squad, even at LB. The club made their choices on Davies and he is one of 4 full-backs. We have Johnson and Kudus for the right and Odobert and Tell for the left. We have Solanke and Richi for 9 and we have Madds and Kulu for 10.

When you look closely, every position is filled with at least 2 players. We also have a few utility players who can make the squad look bigger.

As you say, number 10 is perhaps the only immediate need because of a long term injury. You get away with these because you don't have to name players in PL or UEFA squads. You can carry one more in the overall squad.
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On a position basis I agree.

I'm thinking more based on roles/profiles and qualities we have and don't have (or have in rather few players).

To me we probably needed an option for Maddison before he got injured. Him getting injured leaves a massive hole.
 
harr1984 said:
Yes and thats fine, if you had just said 'We need player x and y and we could get top 5' then there's no problem that's your opinion. But you choose to end it with 'If that's not good enough then fine', as if someone has implied top 5 wouldn't be good enough, which they haven't....
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I don't know what people think is a good season. Some might think top half some might think we have to be challenging for the league. Some might think we have to win a trophy.
 
billyiddo said:
I think we are short genuine left back cover and competition for Solanke to have a reasonably solid starting point for a squad :

Vicario/Kinsky (plus Austin). Vicario is weak but we'll make do and hope Kinsky develops I suppose (though not sure how he develops without playing?).
Udogie/Porro/Spence One short here. A poor position to be in for two seasons in a row. First choice options are great but can't play every game.
Romero/VdV/Danso/Dragusin - Our strongest area, especially with some young u21 backup in Takai and Vuskovic. Dragusin's injury is a concern. We're probably one short right now though if Frank wants to play with a back 3, though I suppose Gray would suit playing in a back 3.
Palinha/Gray - Fine - an experienced player and a young player still developing. Would love to have a truly great player here but that sort of thing isn't a priority for Spurs.
Bentancur/Sarr/Bergvall - We're pretty weak here. Not a true top class player amongst them. Bergval has promise but is a couple of years away IMO. A great midfield player needs to be added to this group if we want to challenge IMO.
Madduson/Kulusevski - I'm not sure I see Kulu as a particularly effective central player and think we needed one more anyway. With both Maddison and Kulu injured and Maddison's imjury being long term we are desperate. It would be incredibly poor of the club to go into the season without an addition here. A poor start can be hard to recover from.
Kudus/Johnson/Tel/Odobert - fine - some good, young, talent here that can suit different ways of playing. Though Tel and Odobert as still VERY raw and probably both a year or two away from being good PL players.
Solanke - really short here. Richarlison is neither good enough or reliable enough to provide competition. If we were a really ambitious club we would've been in for one of Ekitike, Gyokeres, Sesko or Osimhen. Or even Wissa. Or we would've got in early and signed Delap, who we could've promised a lot more minutes to than Chelsea can. We're not an ambitious club though and would probably only move for somebody if Richarlison left instead of bringing somebody in and then telling Richarlison he is not getting a squad number.

That's 21 players without counting Davies & Takai (and of course the players believed to be on the way out) The Maddison & Kulusevski situation leaves a big hole regards to linking midfield with attack and is a pretty critical position area that we are now lacking - if both of these players were available then things look better but as it stands we are now missing a starter and cover in an area that can make or break your attacking/possession play - we could be in for a pretty turgid start to the season as things stand
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My opinions added in bold.
 
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Muttley said:
I think the left side problem was more than just Johnson. Even with the changes you suggest, I still think those waves of attack down our left side wouldn't have been quelled. Spence was a massive weak link, and I'm still confused as to why Davies is a Spurs player in this part of the journey. The only LB I trust is Uodgie and he has his own defensive moments that leaves me wondering.

We either need a Zabarnyi to release VDV to left back in these fixtures, or we need another LB to go head to head with these big sides.
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Hincapie would be a sensible signing.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Hincapie would be a sensible signing.
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Yeah, Hincapie would be amazing. Calafiori was the other player of that ilk but that lot down the road got him.

These types of signings are the direction I want us moving. Pep set a great example at City when he always had great centre halves but still bought more. We then saw Ake, Gvardiol at full back and guys like Stones and Akanji operating in holding midfield. He then had Rico Lewis playing different positions.

You don't not buy Hincapie because we have VDV and "more important" positions to fill. You buy him because he is a player that can take us to trophies. The rest takes care of itself.
 
Finney Is Back said:
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Very much in agreement with you. A 10, a striker/forward (ideally a versatile one that can play as a lone striker) and a full back (ideally left back) would be great. Particularly a 10.

The good thing is that there's so much potential in this squad and almost no players you'd expect to be worse in two years than they are now. Maddison maybe, depending on how he recovers. Other than that just Davies.

So theoretically if we did nothing for two years we should improve by some margin. The problem with the long term planning is when short term failure (or lack of success) ends up hampering development, creating disruption and manager changes or you end up losing your best players at or before their peak.

We got out of jail in a way with the EL win. But we need to be moving forward for the long term planning to materialise. One more clear starter (#10) and two more good options (forward/striker) and a full back would go a long way. Even two of those would help a lot as long as the #10 position gets sorted imo.
 
braineclipse said:
Very much in agreement with you. A 10, a striker/forward (ideally a versatile one that can play as a lone striker) and a full back (ideally left back) would be great. Particularly a 10.

The good thing is that there's so much potential in this squad and almost no players you'd expect to be worse in two years than they are now. Maddison maybe, depending on how he recovers. Other than that just Davies.

So theoretically if we did nothing for two years we should improve by some margin. The problem with the long term planning is when short term failure (or lack of success) ends up hampering development, creating disruption and manager changes or you end up losing your best players at or before their peak.

We got out of jail in a way with the EL win. But we need to be moving forward for the long term planning to materialise. One more clear starter (#10) and two more good options (forward/striker) and a full back would go a long way. Even two of those would help a lot as long as the #10 position gets sorted imo.
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And clearing out the dead wood again
 
Lilbaz said:
Kudus, takai.

If you are not counting palhinha then tel and danso are permanent signings. Can't have it both ways.
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Chrissivad said:
But we haven't...

Kudos
Takai
Danso
Tel

All made permanent this summer.
Is it enough? No, but it's more than 1
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Fair enough i missed Takai. Which says how obscure and unknown that signing was (another possibly good one for the future instead of he now).
I should have clarified that Kudus is the only new signing we've made that immediately you think can and will go into the starting 11 straight away.

Counting signings made previously on loan and now made permanent is as disingenuous as a counter-point as they are cynical from a financial cycle point of view: these are NOT new players to our squad/team as they were brought to the club in the PREVIOUS window
 
Chrissivad said:
But we haven't...

Kudos
Takai
Danso
Tel

All made permanent this summer.
Is it enough? No, but it's more than 1
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I know that’s the case but Tel and Danso were brought to club in Jan.

I think making Tel permanent is a gamble. Looked bang average in a system heavily weighted to attacking. Poor business in my view.

Danso as a 3rd 4th Choice CB is ok.
Takai who knows . Weird one that.

Kudus looked good.

Still a bang average window again. I said this after last summer also. Squad has been stagnating. We’ve not signed any top quality players for a while.

Spent yes , spent badly i think sadly.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Fair enough i missed Takai. Which says how obscure and unknown that signing was (another possibly good one for the future instead of he now).
I should have clarified that Kudus is the only new signing we've made that immediately you think can and will go into the starting 11 straight away.

Counting signings made previously on loan and now made permanent is as disingenuous as a counter-point as they are cynical from a financial cycle point of view: these are NOT new players to our squad/team as they were brought to the club in the PREVIOUS window
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Then you have to count palhinha. Who will be a starter for us.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I get the logic but I’d prefer Robinson
A real left back and ideally one who is fudging rapid
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I think Robinson is great (think I was the first on here to recommend him as a signing a few years ago) but my logic is that Hincapie can also play in a 2 at the back and a 3 at the back as well as playing as standard full back. That would cover Dragusin being out (and allow us to sell him when he returns). I also think a formation where Hincapie plays CB and VDV plays as left back in a 4 could be really effective at times.
 
djp82 said:
I know that’s the case but Tel and Danso were brought to club in Jan.

I think making Tel permanent is a gamble. Looked bang average in a system heavily weighted to attacking. Poor business in my view.

Danso as a 3rd 4th Choice CB is ok.
Takai who knows . Weird one that.

Kudus looked good.

Still a bang average window again. I said this after last summer also. Squad has been stagnating. We’ve not signed any top quality players for a while.

Spent yes , spent badly i think sadly.
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Tel is 19. What was kane doing at his age or ibrahimovic?
 
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