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Champions League 25/26

Everytime they "simplify" the handball rule it seems to get more complicated.

An alternative would be to make every hand ball an offence punishable by an indirect free kick. That would reduce the impact of the decision. Indirect free kicks in the penalty area could be fun. Blatant handballs like an outfield player saving a shot would still be penalities.
 
Baleforce said:
They really need to simplify the handball rule.

Either go back to it needing to be intentional, or just make any contact with the hand a foul.
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"Intentional" is subjective though. You can't see what's going on in a player's head. It'll lead to inconsistency.

Any contact being a penalty is also not the solution. See Eric Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Not sure what the answer is. Not sure there is a perfect one. I'd be happy with the refs making a call on it being intentional or not but that'll have the conspiracy theorists out and referees getting pilloried every week for lack of consistency.
 
Modrical said:
That was too close for comfort, thought they were going to anti-football their way to the trophy. Haven't celebrated a miss/loss like that for a long time, if at all. Basking in all their bitterness and sore loser videos, the world feels that bit better today!
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I was in the local and the cheer that went up when Arsenal missed surprised me. I just assumed a fair portion of them were Arsenal fans, but it turned out almost everyone was cheering for PSG.
 
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DeanoAustin said:
"Intentional" is subjective though. You can't see what's going on in a player's head. It'll lead to inconsistency.

Any contact being a penalty is also not the solution. See Eric Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Not sure what the answer is. Not sure there is a perfect one. I'd be happy with the refs making a call on it being intentional or not but that'll have the conspiracy theorists out and referees getting pilloried every week for lack of consistency.
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I think the only way to get consistency is to make it all contact is a foul.
 
Baleforce said:
I think the only way to get consistency is to make it all contact is a foul.
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You get consistency but you'll get some daft decisions too like the Dier one or the handball against Lucas Moura when he was shoved to the ground against Sheffield United (which wasn't a penalty but was one of the most ridiculous decisions I've ever seen on a pitch). I'm just mentioning those two as they involved us...I'm sure other clubs have their own versions.
 
DeanoAustin said:
You get consistency but you'll get some daft decisions too like the Dier one or the handball against Lucas Moura when he was shoved to the ground against Sheffield United (which wasn't a penalty but was one of the most ridiculous decisions I've ever seen on a pitch). I'm just mentioning those two as they involved us...I'm sure other clubs have their own versions.
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Yeah, but if it’s the law, it’s not daft.
 
Muttley said:
Had a gig last night and we setup up during the extra time and penalties. A club full of Arsenal fans.

Anyway the inevitable happened and they lost. So the TVs are turned to silent and one of the Arsenal fans goes to the jukebox and puts The Angel (North London Forever) on and the entire place is singing it. Then it came on a second time. I bet it was loaded on 5 times.

I just casually went to the bar and asked them to mute their music so my band could do our sound check. That got the obvious reaction from the club. Told the sound engineer to put our PA on and straight into Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur on my own. The chairman of the club (mate of mine, Spurs fan) was killing himself.

You can't miss these opportunities in life right?
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You absolute fudging legend!
 
DeanoAustin said:
"Intentional" is subjective though. You can't see what's going on in a player's head. It'll lead to inconsistency.

Any contact being a penalty is also not the solution. See Eric Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Not sure what the answer is. Not sure there is a perfect one. I'd be happy with the refs making a call on it being intentional or not but that'll have the conspiracy theorists out and referees getting pilloried every week for lack of consistency.
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I always knew what was in Ruel Fox's head, a little mouse band playing ragtime music.
 
DeanoAustin said:
"Intentional" is subjective though. You can't see what's going on in a player's head. It'll lead to inconsistency.

Any contact being a penalty is also not the solution. See Eric Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Not sure what the answer is. Not sure there is a perfect one. I'd be happy with the refs making a call on it being intentional or not but that'll have the conspiracy theorists out and referees getting pilloried every week for lack of consistency.
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After they made the rule change PGMOL said it would not have made any difference to the Dier decision as his arm was in an unnatural position.
 
DeanoAustin said:
"Intentional" is subjective though. You can't see what's going on in a player's head. It'll lead to inconsistency.

Any contact being a penalty is also not the solution. See Eric Dier v Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Not sure what the answer is. Not sure there is a perfect one. I'd be happy with the refs making a call on it being intentional or not but that'll have the conspiracy theorists out and referees getting pilloried every week for lack of consistency.
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Hand to ball = handball; ball to hand = not handball. Especially with VAR, it ought not to be beyond their wit to apply that reasonably satisfactorily.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
After they made the rule change PGMOL said it would not have made any difference to the Dier decision as his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Which was ridiculous as Dier was challenging for the ball, got bumped and his arm stretched out and the ball deflected onto it. The absolute definition of 'accidental'.
 
Finney Is Back said:
He has been instrumental in them winning the league. Worth every penny. Probably worth 3 or 4 places in the league.

I’d argue that he is underrated (by people like you).
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They finished 2nd the season before he joined and continued to do so for 2 of his last 3 seasons, so its taken a while for this so called instrumental impact to manifest.

As I say, great at what he does, not so much else, English press and others wax lyrical about him, for me no way worth near the 105m paid for him.

Also playing in the worst PL period in history .........💩
 
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mudshark said:
Hand to ball = handball; ball to hand = not handball. Especially with VAR, it ought not to be beyond their wit to apply that reasonably satisfactorily.
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It's not that simple, what if defenders does sliding tackle with arm outstretched for balance and ball hits it, we've all seen penalties given for that just depends on who's playing and who the ref is.
 
Never going to get a ruling that eliminates subjectivity from the ref.

For me I would want something along the lines that if the 'offender' benefits from the handball then the game stops, whether intentional or not. If not intentional, drop ball to the side that were in possession before the handball.

Intention is still subjective but so is 'natural body position' BS so that would remove that at least.

If the action looks deliberate, hand to ball, reasonable distance, spread body shape etc, then it is free kick. If it prevents the legendary DOGSO then a direct free kick/penalty. If it isn't a DOGSO then an indirect free kick, even in the box.

Given all the shirt pulling and fouling and body checking and obstruction that goes on in the box, plus all the 'tactical' fouls and dangerous challenges that now occur the elevated status of a handball to almost the 'foul of fouls' and an immediate penalty seems outdated.
 
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