Mohammed Kudus

[Gutter Boy]

I’d normally say something here about luck, and set backs, or being unfortunate here.

To be honest though, it’s just beyond words now.

The biggest issue is we have maybe 7 creative players in our squad. Kudus, Kulu, Odobert, Maddison, Moore and Donley are 6 of them. And the one thing in common - none will play for us again this season .

Simons, you're our only hope

 

[fernadez]

Feels like it's another area where we cut corners.

I'm not saying we should be cutting players open at the drop of a hat, but it's alarming the amount of times our players return to training then break down again, or the initial diagnosis turns out to be far off the mark.

A club the size of ours should have a medical department able to accurately assess, treat and rehabilitate players, without these continual further complications.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Isnt it a quad muscle injury?

I think @robp135 is just angling for a job in our medical department......wrong muscle identification looks good on the CV.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Feels like it's another area where we cut corners.

I'm not saying we should be cutting players open at the drop of a hat, but it's alarming the amount of times our players return to training then break down again, or the initial diagnosis turns out to be far off the mark.

A club the size of ours should have a medical department able to accurately assess, treat and rehabilitate players, without these continual further complications.

We lost about 3 seasons of Lamela to this

 

[Muttley]

The problems got worse after he enacted it

I'm with Munn on this one. He has been crystal clear that he oversaw the review and presented a set of recommendations to his seniors. It was also crystal clear that they declined some of his recommendations which required budget and specialisation. I reckon our THFC medical team was suffering from employee attrition because nobody wanted to work there. It was part of the bigger cultural issue this organisation has with their employees (my hunch).

Things may have got worse because he was forced to put a massively descoped plan in place and it compromised the quality, including the natural attrition of key medical specialists leaving.

My feeling is that Munn is more than happy to be out of the mad house. Who wouldn't be?

In our blame culture, we need someone to hang though.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Gone past that now.
Just inadequacies from top to bottom. Its not cursed we refused to do any business in Jan or get loans. And sell people and not replace to make us even weaker.
.
Nor is it cursed we make manager choices we make. And now we cannot get people back when the "medics" say and let people play on with injuries.

Im sick of the people running this club.
Thickness levels and incompetence has been outstanding

Yeah i listened to the latest pod last night and 2bh we are not cursed. We sold our top scorer from the last season 3 seasons in a row. I found myself totally agreeing and sometimes you need to hear those words laid out to even realise the magnitude of incompetence at the very top. Now whatever you think of Brennan Johnson's all-round game (which clearly had its limitations), he was the only forward in the squad with that bit of killer instinct for a chance and the finishing ability to match. He was our primary source of goals and as per the pod, the club was proud of the fact we sold him. Per milo, the issue isn't in selling Johnson per se, the issue is selling Johnson in the midst of an unprecedented injury crisis without a replacement for his end product brought in.....its always one foot forward the other foot backwards. I even go back to when we signed Rebrov in 2000. "Finally, we have a proper finisher". Oh, don't worry, said the club. We don't want to progress too much, so we'll sell Ginola so that rather than watch chance after chance being fluffed by Armstrong, Iversen and co, you can simply just watch Rebrov wander around up top getting absolutely zero service while the confidence visibly drains from his game match by match.....

 

[Muttley]

Yeah i listened to the latest pod last night and 2bh we are not cursed. We sold our top scorer from the last season 3 seasons in a row. I found myself totally agreeing and sometimes you need to hear those words laid out to even realise the magnitude of incompetence at the very top. Now whatever you think of Brennan Johnson's all-round game (which clearly had its limitations), he was the only forward in the squad with that bit of killer instinct for a chance and the finishing ability to match. He was our primary source of goals and as per the pod, the club was proud of the fact we sold him. Per milo, the issue isn't in selling Johnson per se, the issue is selling Johnson in the midst of an unprecedented injury crisis without a replacement for his end product brought in.....its always one foot forward the other foot backwards. I even go back to when we signed Rebrov in 2000. "Finally, we have a proper finisher". Oh, don't worry, said the club. We don't want to progress too much, so we'll sell Ginola so that rather than watch chance after chance being fluffed by Armstrong, Iversen and co, you can simply just watch Rebrov wander around up top getting absolutely zero service while the confidence visibly drains from his game match by match.....

I genuinely don't know the answer to this but Johnson has had a strange old season. Across the 2 clubs he's played for this season he's looked anything but the goalscoring player of the 24/25 season. He's not yet registered a goal for Palace and is barely getting an7 7/10 ratings in games.

I guess it's about what narrative you want to create. You could easily say it was him not being loved by Frank that killed his momentum and he hasn't yet got his mojo back at Palace. You could also say we did well shifting him when we did.

There is a lot unanswered about Brennan in my opinion. Seems a great kid though, who you want to do well. I'm just not sure he's ever going to be that great.

 

[Benny_Lad]

The problems got worse after he enacted it

He said he was ignored.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I'm with Munn on this one. He has been crystal clear that he oversaw the review and presented a set of recommendations to his seniors. It was also crystal clear that they declined some of his recommendations which required budget and specialisation. I reckon our THFC medical team was suffering from employee attrition because nobody wanted to work there. It was part of the bigger cultural issue this organisation has with their employees (my hunch).

Things may have got worse because he was forced to put a massively descoped plan in place and it compromised the quality, including the natural attrition of key medical specialists leaving.

My feeling is that Munn is more than happy to be out of the mad house. Who wouldn't be?

In our blame culture, we need someone to hang though.

But he was also fired for being brick after barely a couple of months. He never really had the credentials or experience for the role (his background was commercial). I'm not saying there aren't bigger problems, but Munn was well out of his depth and I wouldn't give value to any of his excuses

Practically, he sacked Geoff Scott. And then things got much worse.

Geoff Scott was clashing with Ange by telling him not to play players who were in the red zone, who then kept getting injured. Whereas coaches before that were more inclined to listen to their experts.

Scott was highly regarded by all of Pochettino, Mourinho and Conte, so to me this another Simon Felstein situation - a big verschlimmbesserung

This article kind of says a lot, especially as we replaced him with the guy from Brighton, the one club with the worse injury record than ours: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-spurs-head-of-medicine-geoff-scott-injuries

 

[robp135]

I think @robp135 is just angling for a job in our medical department......wrong muscle identification looks good on the CV.

I asked “what’s a hamstring” and still got the job.

 

[robp135]

But he was also fired for being brick after barely a couple of months. He never really had the credentials or experience for the role (his background was commercial). I'm not saying there aren't bigger problems, but Munn was well out of his depth and I wouldn't give value to any of his excuses

Practically, he sacked Geoff Scott. And then things got much worse.

Geoff Scott was clashing with Ange by telling him not to play players who were in the red zone, who then kept getting injured. Whereas coaches before that were more inclined to listen to their experts.

Scott was highly regarded by all of Pochettino, Mourinho and Conte, so to me this another Simon Felstein situation - a big verschlimmbesserung

This article kind of says a lot, especially as we replaced him with the guy from Brighton, the one club with the worse injury record than ours: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-spurs-head-of-medicine-geoff-scott-injuries

Need to have a better squad to be able to do that.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Leaving aside our own woes at the moment, I feel for him if this means he misses the World Cup as well. Truly unlucky.

(Wasn’t it Kudus who went out to the Netherlands for treatment? If there was any misdiagnosis from our side you’d think it would have been picked up there. Maybe it is simply training injury (although that doesn’t mean it ought not to have happened)).

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Feels like it's another area where we cut corners.

I'm not saying we should be cutting players open at the drop of a hat, but it's alarming the amount of times our players return to training then break down again, or the initial diagnosis turns out to be far off the mark.

A club the size of ours should have a medical department able to accurately assess, treat and rehabilitate players, without these continual further complications.

I am not sure its anything to do with cutting corners, we have one of the most expensive and extensive staffs in the world which includes medical, the issue here is the decision making.

To Echo @Glenda's Legs the initial issue is a more human one in that Kudus season looks over and his WC at risk, poor bloke

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Leaving aside our own woes at the moment, I feel for him if this means he misses the World Cup as well. Truly unlucky.

(Wasn’t it Kudus who went out to the Netherlands for treatment? If there was any misdiagnosis from our side you’d think it would have been picked up there. Maybe it is simply training injury (although that doesn’t mean it ought not to have happened)).

To be fair accurate diagnosis of soft tissue injuries is extremely difficult. Only takes nerve iritation caused by some scar tissue to cause significant pain and fiscomfort and prevent proper running/striking action and that won't always be detectable in an MRI scan. If the muscle has technically healed but still causing issues, its likely that surgery is required to clean out the affected area and actually it might be that the injury never fully heals to the point of not causing pain and inflamation and just has to be managed on a go-forward basis. There's a limit to what medicine and physio can actually achieve. If you've torn a major muscle in the wrong way you'll unlikely ever be the same again.

Prevention is better than cure. If we need an MRI scan/doctor to look at a player you're already in damage limitation territory.

Training, tactics, having a large enough squad to rotate according to fixture list are all key elements of preventing these major injuries from occurring with the frequency we have experienced.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Leaving aside our own woes at the moment, I feel for him if this means he misses the World Cup as well. Truly unlucky.

(Wasn’t it Kudus who went out to the Netherlands for treatment? If there was any misdiagnosis from our side you’d think it would have been picked up there. Maybe it is simply training injury (although that doesn’t mean it ought not to have happened)).

Every player of ours who misses the world cup is a massive bonus. It will cripple those players throughout next season.

Udogie has already been spared and Gray is just sticking low enough under the radar. So that's three wins so far

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Every player of ours who misses the world cup is a massive bonus. It will cripple those players throughout next season.

Udogie has already been spared and Gray is just sticking low enough under the radar. So that's three wins so far

From a Tottenham-centric position yes, it works for us.
But every footballer dreams of playing for their country and I can’t begrudge them that (except for meaningless friendlies).
Also it’s a good sign if we have players who are being picked for their national teams (granted that the level is variable).

 

[Gutter Boy]

From a Tottenham-centric position yes, it works for us.
But every footballer dreams of playing for their country and I can’t begrudge them that (except for meaningless friendlies).
Also it’s a good sign if we have players who are being picked for their national teams (granted that the level is variable).

For this reason, ever player with a sense of morality should be wanting the boycott this world cup

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[Mrs Vert]

I genuinely don't know the answer to this but Johnson has had a strange old season. Across the 2 clubs he's played for this season he's looked anything but the goalscoring player of the 24/25 season. He's not yet registered a goal for Palace and is barely getting an7 7/10 ratings in games.

I guess it's about what narrative you want to create. You could easily say it was him not being loved by Frank that killed his momentum and he hasn't yet got his mojo back at Palace. You could also say we did well shifting him when we did.

There is a lot unanswered about Brennan in my opinion. Seems a great kid though, who you want to do well. I'm just not sure he's ever going to be that great.

I guess most people didnt mind he went (I didnt) but we did so without getting a replacement