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Interim manager thread 2.0

Silly McSilly Face said:
Yeah its bizarre. Marseille own the player, they will expect De Zerbi to play him. All the evangalists on this forum...if their work colleague was accussed of beating up their girlfriend then the CPS dropped all charges, if they said to their boss "I am refusing to work with this person" what would they expect the reaction to be?
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If I had a colleague who was accused of rape by his partner and she put out damning evidence on social media then I'd expect the company to sack him or put him on leave if unable to legally do so (I work in construction where everyone is essentially in a freelance role so don't know the ins and outs of what is legal elsewhere as in my industry they'd just be told there's no more work for them) and if they failed to do so I would refuse to work alongside them.
 
LutonSpurs said:
He did abuse her. There's literal evidence of it. And the fact he isn't a criminal doesn't remove him from being a morally challenged scumbag.

The bruises on the victim were very real. If that doesn't matter to you then you are vermin.
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LutonSpurs said:
Bet the people who defend De Zerbi and Mason also like painted roundabouts.
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Nobody is defending Greenwood. He was never tried and charges were dropped. None of us knows what happened.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Would you accept a rapist coming into your workplace? Being left alone with your female friends and colleagues? And all football clubs have female physios and nutritionists in the dressing rooms these days. Would you take that risk?
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Again, that's on the clubs and associations to decide whether that person (if found guilty which I don't think Greenwood was) should be there or not.

I dont think its a manager responsibility to become detective and judge.
 
carl said:
Again, that's on the clubs and associations to decide whether that person (if found guilty which I don't think Greenwood was) should be there or not.

I dont think its a manager responsibility to become detective and judge.
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If i managed someone at work with the same thing hanging over them I would refuse to work with them.

RDZ was probably part of the discussions wrt to signing him and once he signed he played him - he's complicit. No different to Arteta & Partey, in fact it's probably worse as the evidence was more damning and he was signed with it all out in the open.
 
billyiddo said:
If I had a colleague who was accused of rape by his partner and she put out damning evidence on social media then I'd expect the company to sack him or put him on leave if unable to legally do so (I work in construction where everyone is essentially in a freelance role so don't know the ins and outs of what is legal elsewhere as in my industry they'd just be told there's no more work for them) and if they failed to do so I would refuse to work alongside them.
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I used to work in recruitment many moons ago and sometimes a CRB check would turn out very unsavoury. You could always tell the ones that were genuinely ashamed and wanted to do right and the ones that were too arrogant or in denial about their act.

He was a Young high profile individual who acted horrendously. His partner in the same count the victim, could have reported it sooner before it got to that stage in their relationship. But again she was young and probably didn’t have the mental means.

He has not apologised to society, and he shouldn’t have to. He only needs to apologise to his victim and her family, and ensure that he has learned from his behaviour.

He has the right and to have a second chance at life. He was not a man in his late 20’s early 30’s.
 
DeanoAustin said:
He wasn’t found not guilty, he wasn’t even tried. And we don’t know she was paid off. For me, what Greenwood said on that tape was despicable but, as far as we know, he did nothing illegal.
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Aren't they still together with a kid now?

I actually agree, refusing to play someone who wasn't even charged with a crime isn't taking a moral standpoint in my opinion. That's the court of public opinion.

Careers and lives of people later found out to be completely innocent have be ruined numerous times because of it.

I'm not advocating for him at all, and if he did it he's a clam. But a recording of a conversation no matter how it seems upon listening isn't enough to condemn someone. It just doesn't work that way.

And refusing to let an employee work just because you feel they may have done something but the law doesn't, isn't the smartest of career moves. How many people here would risk their on job because someone who works for them got arrested and released without charge.

Greenwood will never play in this country again. What Arsenal should have done is suspended him while he was under investigation, then leave it for the legal system to work out.
 
billyiddo said:
If i managed someone at work with the same thing hanging over them I would refuse to work with them.

RDZ was probably part of the discussions wrt to signing him and once he signed he played him - he's complicit. No different to Arteta & Partey, in fact it's probably worse as the evidence was more damning and he was signed with it all out in the open.
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There was nothing hanging over him, all charges were dropped before they signed him.

Did you expect De Zerbi to go over everyone's head at Marseille and French FA and open his own investigation as to whether Greenwood was guilty or not?

I find it pathetic personally
 
Gazza said:
I used to work in recruitment many moons ago and sometimes a CRB check would turn out very unsavoury. You could always tell the ones that were genuinely ashamed and wanted to do right and the ones that were too arrogant or in denial about their act.

He was a Young high profile individual who acted horrendously. His partner in the same count the victim, could have reported it sooner before it got to that stage in their relationship. But again she was young and probably didn’t have the mental means.

He has not apologised to society, and he shouldn’t have to. He only needs to apologise to his victim and her family, and ensure that he has learned from his behaviour.

He has the right and to have a second chance at life. He was not a man in his late 20’s early 30’s.
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He doesn't have a right to anything, he has not been punished or tried for what he has done as the key witness withdrew their evidence - however the cat is out of the bag there. He has got away with having to be held accountable for his actions. He is a sportsman and a role model and as such has crossed a line that shouldn't even be debatable as to whether or not he should be accepted back in to the fold - but due to greed and morally bankrupt people in positions of power he's allowed to carry on. It fudging stinks.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Pay Poch's release fee then. That's the only alternative that guarantees success.

Otherwise no one else makes any more sense than Davies
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I’m the biggest Poch in for the long term person going, but I don’t think even he guarantees success for the rest of the season.

I don’t think anyone does.

I’m still trying to figure out whether the Davies story is just trying to get comfortable with it is pure copium for the fact that we’re even in this situation or actually there’s some real method to it.

But to the extent that a player who is smart to the dynamics of this squad and this generation can come in and make a difference, I’m intrigued. And I think all of our issues stem back to the foundations of the squad being destroyed at the end of last season after going through hell fire and winning a trophy. And I think perhaps only a player who was on that journey with him could really understand that dynamic and find the words to get the players together and out of it again, rather than anyone coming in from the outside at this point.
 
carl said:
There was nothing hanging over him, all charges were dropped before they signed him.

Did you expect De Zerbi to go over everyone's head at Marseille and French FA and open his own investigation as to whether Greenwood was guilty or not?

I find it pathetic personally
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We all have our own lines in the sand when it comes to what is right or wrong - RDZ has given an indication of where his is.
 
Whether or not De Zerbi was right to play Greenwood is immaterial. He’s got a soul patch. Should be enough of a warning sign.

If we do get him it’s a car crash waiting to happen in 18 months. And the cycle repeats
 
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fernadez said:
Aren't they still together with a kid now?

I actually agree, refusing to play someone who wasn't even charged with a crime isn't taking a moral standpoint in my opinion. That's the court of public opinion.

Careers and lives of people later found out to be completely innocent have be ruined numerous times because of it.

I'm not advocating for him at all, and if he did it he's a clam. But a recording of a conversation no matter how it seems upon listening isn't enough to condemn someone. It just doesn't work that way.

And refusing to let an employee work just because you feel they may have done something but the law doesn't, isn't the smartest of career moves. How many people here would risk their on job because someone who works for them got arrested and released without charge.

Greenwood will never play in this country again. What Arsenal should have done is suspended him while he was under investigation, then leave it for the legal system to work out.
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He was charged. They couldn't pursue a trial because the key witness withdrew their evidence.
 
billyiddo said:
He doesn't have a right to anything, he has not been punished or tried for what he has done as the key witness withdrew their evidence - however the cat is out of the bag there. He has got away with having to be held accountable for his actions. He is a sportsman and a role model and as such has crossed a line that shouldn't even be debatable as to whether or not he should be accepted back in to the fold - but due to greed and morally bankrupt people in positions of power he's allowed to carry on. It fudging stinks.
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He doesn’t have a right to anything? So you are now judge and executioner from watching a video online? Not that I agree with any of it.

Why did they withdraw their evidence? You don’t know and I don’t. The point is that the family did it on their terms.

Greed and morally bankrupt, let’s scale this .. you like football correct? This is all part of football and its inner workings. Greed , morally bankrupt, corruption is today’s football arena no? He isn’t the first and won’t be the last to have done something terrible in the world of football players … so I leave it at that.
 
Gazza said:
He doesn’t have a right to anything? So you are now judge and executioner from watching a video online? Not that I agree with any of it.

Why did they withdraw their evidence? You don’t know and I don’t. The point is that the family did it on their terms.

Greed and morally bankrupt, let’s scale this .. you like football correct? This is all part of football and its inner workings. Greed , morally bankrupt, corruption is today’s football arena no? He isn’t the first and won’t be the last to have done something terrible in the world of football players … so I leave it at that.
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Yes - he doesn't have a right to anything, in the sense that football clubs aren't obliged to employ players just because they want to 'work' if the footballing world decided that he had crossed a line and was therefore unemployable he would have no grounds for claiming otherwise.
 
Gazza said:
He doesn’t have a right to anything? So you are now judge and executioner from watching a video online? Not that I agree with any of it.

Why did they withdraw their evidence? You don’t know and I don’t. The point is that the family did it on their terms.

Greed and morally bankrupt, let’s scale this .. you like football correct? This is all part of football and its inner workings. Greed , morally bankrupt, corruption is today’s football arena no? He isn’t the first and won’t be the last to have done something terrible in the world of football players … so I leave it at that.
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If you had been raped, would £5m hush money be enough tempt you to not go through the trauma of a trial?
 
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