Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
I don't think anyone's ideas will have time to bed - we have nine games. It's all about vibes and motivation.
Is he the man for that? I can't see it.
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Igor the Interim
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Is he the man for that? I can't see it.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
He is as far removed from a vibes man as anyone could be
Just go back to basics, and play players in their correct position, no need for any extravagant system. After that get the players motivated to give everything.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The problem is our strengths are having half a team of industrious CMs who can't pass. I'm not sure how you shape that into anything.
We are effed basically. What a squad to give the fella
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
Agreed that we have some wide options that aren't typical wingers. Most of the time that requires width from an attacking full back, no? We did have Porro back last game, but there's been a real shortage there too. My point is that no matter how we line up it's going to be imbalanced. Tudor should imo do what he knows best and is the best at.
Porro, Spence, and Udogie all can attack, even Souza looks decent going forward.
He should do what's best with the players he has, and get the maximum out of them, not play a system just because it's what he knows best. Porro at RCB, Xavi at LW, Gray at WB, and Palhinha at CB is not getting the most out of those players.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
My point was about what he's had available so far. To me there haven't been many realist options that didn't include playing players out of position regardless of formation.
There was. He could've played a back 4, Porro, VdV, Danso, and Souza. He'd plenty of options in midfield. Gray, Palhinha, as the two if playing a 4231, Tel, Xavi, Muani as the 3 and Solanke up front. Every player there in their correct position. There's other options besides that too.
monkeybarry
Dimitar Berbatov
1990s Wimbledon or Bolton, it's the only way!
Mr Gogolak
Peter Taylor
Yeah but that implies a lot of other things that no manager would be willing to do. Despite what Redknapp used to say, sending the lads out there to kick a ball isn't enough. You have a whole coaching set up with exercices designed to create patterns of play.
Changing your system basically means throwing away your little black book that you have patiently put together for your whole career. Of course, you can do that - in some cases, you should do that, for instance if you've spent a long time at the same club and you want to freshen things up but it's a lot of work and there's no guarantee you will get it right the first time around.
You'll make mistakes and you will gradually refine your training plan and your individual sessions. That's why people are usually willing to compromise (for instance, Mourinho giving more freedom to Aurier than he would to an ordinary right-back) but you won't find many people willing to get back to square one for twelve games.
These guys have a method and it works. It works because if it didn't, they wouldn't get these jobs in the first place. That's why Frank stuck to what he knew and that's why Tudor will probably stick to his system. He may fine-tune a few aspects to fit what he has available, but I really can't see him converting to a classic 4-2-3-1.
And he will fail playing a system that the players aren't able to play. It's the coach that needs to be flexible, the players don't have the ability.
If he was hired knowing that he would only play with a back 3 (he did play against Fulham with a back 4) then whoever hired him should be immediately sacked.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Danso or Dragusin converting to the John Fashanu role?
Mr Gogolak
Peter Taylor
Up until 15 years ago, I would have agreed with you, but football has become a game of patterns and systems, with little room left for improvising. Old-school managers like Clough, Ferguson or Keegan would have no place in today's football, unfortunately. To be successful as a manager, you no longer need to know your players, think outside the box and devise a strategy according to your squad. You need to be able to implement an efficient system.
If your players can't adapt to different systems and/or managers then, quite simply, they're not good enough, regardless of their ability with a football.
That's what we're about to find out. Some people still think our squad should at least have us in midtable but the players couldn't/wouldn't adapt to Frank, they couldn't adapt to Tudor and unless something changes very quickly, they'll be playing in the Championship next season. They're not bad players per se, but they just don't fit into any system: they can't play three at the back, they can't play a very attacking game, they can't adapt to the opposition... well, we are where we are for a reason.
As for the managers, maybe I'm wrong but I think my explanation still beats 'he's incompetent', 'he's an idiot', 'he's a dinosaur' or 'he's trying to get us relegated on purpose' - arguments I've read many times over the years.