***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Burnlio, Sat Jan 24th, 3pm***

[mudshark]

18 months, not 5 or 6 seasons and would have been easily recoverable with right moves. This narrative that the team has been trash since Poch is revisionism at it's finest.

4th, 6th, 7th, 4th, 8th, 5th, 17th with 2 cup finals and a Europa win.

Reality the team was less than 5 points off top 4 in December, if the club had fired Frank then, brough in a decent manager and given them a signing or two in Jan window we would have everything to still play for. Now the goal is not to be squeaky bum time until end of season.

fudging amazing how this clubs fans went from top 4 as a goal lacked ambition -> well squad is brick, you can't expect us to beat Burnley and West Ham and Fulham

I respectfully disagree. "Champions of Europe," my hole.

 

[Robspur12]

They were leading when tel came on as I remember it, Odobert one was a decent save but it was at a good height for the keeper, he never touched one from Simmons.
He made quite a few saves, mostly imo ones I would expect him to make.

It was 1-1 I’ve just watched game of the day. Point is though we had good quality chances to put the game to bed and we didn’t. Then got torn apart twice at the back. Without those defensive lapses we win comfortably imho. What I do agree with is that We need to sort this out quickly or we will be in deep trouble.

 

[Rorschach]

I'm worried. We are all worried, but we could easily have won a bunch of these last few matches and been a couple of points off CL places. Small margins and all that.

 

[Muttley]

It was 1-1 I’ve just watched game of the day. Point is though we had good quality chances to put the game to bed and we didn’t. Then got torn apart twice at the back. Without those defensive lapses we win comfortably imho. What I do agree with is that We need to sort this out quickly or we will be in deep trouble.

What I would say is that if we had 11 players that were crossing the white line and playing for the shirt for the entire 90 mins then it could have been different. I would encourage everyone to watch Xavi on the first goal and Spence on the second. First goal, Xavi gives Walker the freedom of the pitch to cross that ball. Xavi then did exactly the same thing again later in the game. Then we have Spence for the second goal doing an "Aurier". Spence knows he should be getting back and tucking in with those spare Burnley men in the box. Porro would have been sprinting. Spence cowardly raised his arm and pretended he was holding the offside as the ball hit our net. Now whether Spence could have influenced the ultimate outcome of the goal or not is not the point I'm making. If he's 100% committed then he should be expecting the parry or the ricochet and being a proper defender and getting back into the mix.

As a fan, it's way easier to accept human error than it is a lack of commitment or application especially from players as intelligent and talented as these guys.

 

[tommysvr]

It was 1-1 I’ve just watched game of the day. Point is though we had good quality chances to put the game to bed and we didn’t. Then got torn apart twice at the back. Without those defensive lapses we win comfortably imho. What I do agree with is that We need to sort this out quickly or we will be in deep trouble.

Isn’t that why we hired this manager? To sort out the defense?

 

[Robspur12]

They were leading when tel came on as I remember it, Odobert one was a decent save but it was at a good height for the keeper, he never touched one from Simmons.
He made quite a few saves, mostly imo ones I would expect him to make.

My bad you’re right it was 2-1 when Tel had his chance. Apologies..

 

[Robspur12]

Isn’t that why we hired this manager? To sort out the defense?

Agreed. I’m more concerned with the way we are defending at the moment than the attack.

 

[thfcsteff]

No I didn’t watched highlights and listened live on the radio.

Be interested to see what you think of you get to watch a full match replay mate.

 

[thfcsteff]

I think if you take Kane and Son out of those sides we'd have likely been in a similar mess.

Looking back at those post Poch teams they were clearly being propped up two world class talents that we somehow managed to keep hold of.

I think this is absolutely true and something we don't recognise enough.

It is another of the reasons I fudging hated Mourinho; he told Levy that he could bring us over the line with that 2019/20 squad. Which was a lie (Poch even said it woud be a painful rebuild).
I think the confluence of Levy believing that tripe -plus covid then happening- definitely sucked us into a vortex.

 

[thfcsteff]

We cannot really play through the middle because we lack a progressive passer in the middle of the park. Gallagher is not a bad player but he is not the answer, and we still have the same problems which are obvious but alas, the powers that be appear oblivious.

I know mate.
One of my major issues with all of this has been that this manager appears to not be interested in playing that way.

 

[thfcsteff]

Hmm we had this same problem with Solanke last season. He very rarely had any shots on goal and was constantly feeding on scraps if you remember. It got to the point that people made the excuse that he was used as a pressing point rather than a focal attacking point.

Maybe we need to accept that either this squad isn't good at creating chances for him or he's not a potent threat?

I always felt Solanke was a 35 million striker we were heavily overpaying for. I do not ever see him getting 20 goals in a season for us. If he got 15 I'd be over the moon.

 

[IulianSteaua]

I always felt Solanke was a 35 million striker we were heavily overpaying for. I do not ever see him getting 20 goals in a season for us. If he got 15 I'd be over the moon.

Probably would have scored 20 for City. With us he is a 10-12 goals/Premier League season. I think Richarlison can get 15 with us, but I don't know if he brings as much ball holding or as much of a presence in the opposition box as Solanke.

 

[SteveAWOL]

I always felt Solanke was a 35 million striker we were heavily overpaying for. I do not ever see him getting 20 goals in a season for us. If he got 15 I'd be over the moon.

If only the Committee had signed his Bournemouth teammate as a ready made replacement for Sonny, instead of speculating on on a couple of youngsters who are years away from coming close to filling that void but cost nearly the same amount anyway...

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[Mrs Vert]

I have been here before, it was 1977.

I was laughed at ridiculed, even to suggest that relegation was a possibility, it wasn't.

I think we need fifteen more points (12-15) to secure our PL status.

Look at our performances, and look at our remaining games, and then tell me we are safe.

We are not.

Vinai has no history with us, no feelings for Spurs and certainly has made a fortune from Woolwich, does any of us feel he is worried on the slightest?

Laugh at me just like those fans who sat around me at WHL over those last few months of 1977, but i feel it is now that serious.

I think he is a problem too. And as much as I wasn't a fan of Levy. I felt he actually cared.

We are in deep do do. Along with Lange. These 2 and whoever else is overseeing this, are gonna see our demise.

Day 27 and still no LW or someone creative. We also had the summer to get this done, before the super cup we needed better additions. Its diabolical

Im prepared for the drop.........

 

[Mrs Vert]

I'm worried. We are all worried, but we could easily have won a bunch of these last few matches and been a couple of points off CL places. Small margins and all that.

But we didn't and we aren't, cos we are not learning and injures are never ending and we are still buying nonsense and not filling what we need.

Look we could somehow get 6 points in Feb......
(I heard it)

 

[paxtonwolf]

Just read this bit on the BBC Sport website;

"But if Frank thought this would ease the growing anger of travelling fans he would have been sorely mistaken as he once more felt the full force of their fury after the final whistle.

Indeed, the discontent surfaced even in the first half as Spurs fans chanted "sideways and backwards everywhere we go" as the ball was passed around aimlessly.

Micky van de Ven's opening goal was greeted with ironic chants of "we're staying up" from the visitors' section.

And, once the final whistle sounded, Frank walked off to deafening chants of "sacked in the morning" from his own fans and other more colourful phrases of the uncomplimentary variety."

I have to say, that first chant did make me laugh

 

[glasgowspur]

My bad you’re right it was 2-1 when Tel had his chance. Apologies..

No worries, it's not a particularly relevant point tbh .

 

[Muttley]

I always felt Solanke was a 35 million striker we were heavily overpaying for. I do not ever see him getting 20 goals in a season for us. If he got 15 I'd be over the moon.

Solanke is a critical enabler to a system. He was for Ange and he will be for Frank. There's always better out there but he's one of a kind in our squad in my opinion. We will need a competing number 9 as we look beyond Richi and Muani. Be nice to think one of our own young lads can step up.

Did you notice the game patterns as Solanke got tired through the 90 mins? Little things like as the strength sapped out of him he started to lose more of the physical one on ones. He also wasn't working right across the line as the legs tired

I just want to see the guy 100% match fit. We should never judge player form before that happens really.

 

[braineclipse]

I'm worried. We are all worried, but we could easily have won a bunch of these last few matches and been a couple of points off CL places. Small margins and all that.

Yeah, really could do with some fine, or not so fine, margins to go our way in the coming games.

Hoping that Palace, Forest and Leeds lose today/tomorrow is not a good feeling. Particularly knowing the fixtures we have coming in February.

 

[glasgowspur]

What I would say is that if we had 11 players that were crossing the white line and playing for the shirt for the entire 90 mins then it could have been different. I would encourage everyone to watch Xavi on the first goal and Spence on the second. First goal, Xavi gives Walker the freedom of the pitch to cross that ball. Xavi then did exactly the same thing again later in the game. Then we have Spence for the second goal doing an "Aurier". Spence knows he should be getting back and tucking in with those spare Burnley men in the box. Porro would have been sprinting. Spence cowardly raised his arm and pretended he was holding the offside as the ball hit our net. Now whether Spence could have influenced the ultimate outcome of the goal or not is not the point I'm making. If he's 100% committed then he should be expecting the parry or the ricochet and being a proper defender and getting back into the mix.

As a fan, it's way easier to accept human error than it is a lack of commitment or application especially from players as intelligent and talented as these guys.

I'm absolutely baffled how you can mention those two goals and not bring Romero into it.
The first goal he is marking no one, not a soul within five yards of him. Danso has at two attackers.
The second one, well the second one is just fudge up after fudge from our "captain and defensive leader". 30 yards from goal he rushes out and misses the ball and player leaving a huge hole behind him.
While the player that he failed so miserably to engage makes his way into the gap left by him, Romero saunters back paying more attention to the Linesman than what's actually happening in his defensive line.
Then to cap it all the player he left is stannding in the space Romero should be in to shoot on goal virtually unmolested.
That second goal is on no one but Romero.