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Lemonade Money said:
Tottenham predicted XI: Vicario, Porro, Danso, Romero Spence; Gray, Bergvall, Xavi; Odobert, Solanke, Kolo Muani

Evening Standard saying these are available, so guess that's the team, plus a youthful bench.
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Possibility of Udogie playing again, otherwise it’s very simple: these are the only available players!

Really hoping Williams B come in and does well. He’s a bit of a Maddison-like player who might do well against a tiring opponent.
 
I guess we couldn’t put Tel in for Davies or another injured player? It was just a choice between Tel and Solanke. If so, and in need of goals, is it that controversial to swap Solanke back in?
 
SpurMeUp said:
I guess we couldn’t put Tel in for Davies or another injured player? It was just a choice between Tel and Solanke. If so, and in need of goals, is it that controversial to swap Solanke back in?
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Think in some ways it's a tough decision either way. In isolation obviously Solanke is a better, more experienced and more important player to us (accepting that we essentially haven't seen him play under Frank so difficult to be sure).

The overall treatment of Tel I guess is one source of controversy.

For me the injury question is the main controversy. Tel is (I'm assuming) fully fit and ready. Solanke has just returned from a rather lengthy injury lay off. We have Burnley as a very important game coming up. Probably a good idea to be careful with Solanke for this game. Can he play an hour? Less? More?

What happens then if we have another injury to another player in this game? At least with Tel we'd have a player that is fit and has some match fitness too.

Can understand the decision. But it seems a significant risk at a time where we need some players to be protected. It's a game that's unlikely to be decisive on our CL campaign. But maybe it is a game that's decisive on Frank's future at the club. Is it the best long term decision or a decision with significant risk made my a manager under pressure?
 
tommysvr said:
Yes. Solanke has played 40 minutes of football since September.
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And 108 minutes in total this season.

If Solanke breaks down with an injury it will be a huge blow, particularly with Richarlison out. Obviously we can't know what the risk of that is, maybe the medical department are saying that he's absolutely fine to play now and has been sufficiently slowly integrated.
 
braineclipse said:
And 108 minutes in total this season.

If Solanke breaks down with an injury it will be a huge blow, particularly with Richarlison out. Obviously we can't know what the risk of that is, maybe the medical department are saying that he's absolutely fine to play now and has been sufficiently slowly integrated.
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Injury is of course a huge risk, but it's also unfair on Solanke to expect him to come into a huge Champions League game against a very good team with that little game time. He may well go on to score a hat trick but it's a strange decision.
 
braineclipse said:
And 108 minutes in total this season.

If Solanke breaks down with an injury it will be a huge blow, particularly with Richarlison out. Obviously we can't know what the risk of that is, maybe the medical department are saying that he's absolutely fine to play now and has been sufficiently slowly integrated.
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If only we were in some kind of period (let's call it a window for ease) where our owners could go out and purchase or loan an attacking player to help the club and whoever the next manager is and improve the standard of the squad
 
braineclipse said:
Think in some ways it's a tough decision either way. In isolation obviously Solanke is a better, more experienced and more important player to us (accepting that we essentially haven't seen him play under Frank so difficult to be sure).

The overall treatment of Tel I guess is one source of controversy.

For me the injury question is the main controversy. Tel is (I'm assuming) fully fit and ready. Solanke has just returned from a rather lengthy injury lay off. We have Burnley as a very important game coming up. Probably a good idea to be careful with Solanke for this game. Can he play an hour? Less? More?

What happens then if we have another injury to another player in this game? At least with Tel we'd have a player that is fit and has some match fitness too.

Can understand the decision. But it seems a significant risk at a time where we need some players to be protected. It's a game that's unlikely to be decisive on our CL campaign. But maybe it is a game that's decisive on Frank's future at the club. Is it the best long term decision or a decision with significant risk made my a manager under pressure?
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So Tel should be fresh for Burnley and ready to prove a point. Solanke a bit more of an out an out striker - and we need goals. So not really as crazy as some are making out.
 
tommysvr said:
Injury is of course a huge risk, but it's also unfair on Solanke to expect him to come into a huge Champions League game against a very good team with that little game time. He may well go on to score a hat trick but it's a strange decision.
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It is a strange decision if you’re anti-Frank and still trying to get over losing an antipodean manager. If you’re impartial it’s a brave decision with some logic.
 
SpurMeUp said:
It is a strange decision if you’re anti-Frank and still trying to get over losing an antipodean manager. If you’re impartial it’s a brave decision with some logic.
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It's quite ironic you try and paint yourself as impartial. People are unhappy with Frank because of what has been served up on the football pitch for months, it's really time you move on from this idea people criticise anything to do with Frank because of the previous manager....
 
harr1984 said:
It's quite ironic you try and paint yourself as impartial. People are unhappy with Frank because of what has been served up on the football pitch for months, it's really time you move on from this idea people criticise anything to do with Frank because of the previous manager....
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Popping you on ignore as you’re not addressing the point.

I’m pro whoever is manager. I’ll back them and support them.

Was this a strange decision by the manager? No. Only if you have an agenda against the manger and want to undermine. Support the team, get behind them, and maybe we’ll play better too,
 
SpurMeUp said:
So Tel should be fresh for Burnley and ready to prove a point. Solanke a bit more of an out an out striker - and we need goals. So not really as crazy as some are making out.
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Alternatively Tel would be OK playing both games, hasn't exactly been playing that much.

Guess it partly depends on priorities. To me the Burnley game is more important. After Burnley we have City, United, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and then Arsenal. It's by far the most "winnable" game in the league coming up, at a time where we're desperate for a win and where not winning would extend our current 2 wins in our last 13 league games to 2 in 14 heading into 4 really tough games.

The current situation is imo bad, but it could get a lot worse if for example we end up with no league wins in our next 5. Fail to win against Burnley and I'm not sure I'd bet against that run extending to 2 wins in 18.

Similarly our injury situation is quite bad, but could get a lot worse.

Even if we put in a really good performance against Dortmund it's a really tough game. We do need goals, but there are way worse outcomes here than not scoring. Particularly as we're rather likely to be in the "punishment round" of the CL regardless of the performance against Dortmund.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Possibility of Udogie playing again, otherwise it’s very simple: these are the only available players!

Really hoping Williams B come in and does well. He’s a bit of a Maddison-like player who might do well against a tiring opponent.
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Would love LWB to start. Who else have we got in the youth who you feel could come in tonight apart from Scarlett? All our better youth players seem to be on loan or injured?
 
I'm sure I see the Solanke selection differently than most others. We are playing a game in which should we get anything other a sound beaten it would be a bigger surprise than the recent Palace defeat.
It's any opportunity to get some game time for our only recognised striker, it may a gamble but our situation is desperate.
Our bench looks like it will be filled with development players and keepers, in an ideal world this would be a good chance for them but given the toxic atmosphere at the stadium it would be a baptism of fire.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Would love LWB to start. Who else have we got in the youth who you feel could come in tonight apart from Scarlett? All our better youth players seem to be on loan or injured?
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Coming on as a substitute seems viable, as it gives them a slight advantage. Often, it’s the lack of physicality that youth players struggle with compared to first team players. Technically LWB is at the races. So entering later in the game helps even out the physical side, as they are fresher and relatively stronger.

Idk who else, Frank will be seeing them in training, and know who can do a job. Whoever doesn't start out of Spece/Udogie will come on. You'd hope Scarlett and LWB. Probably no one else.
 
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