Eberechi Eze

[Daisuk]

Sounds like we got played by Palace, Eze and Scum. Palace even used Paratici to broker a deal for El Khanouss. It's fudging foul, but no law against it, I suppose.

I don't know. I dreamed I had a pet polar bear and a tiger, and woke up quite happy. This isn't the end of the world. Would we really want a gooner in our squad? Nah. fudge him and fudge them.

Now, on to the next.

 

[billyiddo]

They didn't want him until the Havetz injury. It's not a deal that taken all summer to happen. Sorry but that's pure revisionism.

Sorry bud but you don't go out and drop £68 mil on an attacking midfielder you didn't want previously just because your backup striker picked up a short to medium term injury

 

[Baleforce]

I’m really thinking about that one. Recommend?

Definitely.

 

[braineclipse]

Sounds like we got played by Palace, Eze and Scum. Palace even used Paratici to broker a deal for El Khanouss. It's fudging foul, but no law against it, I suppose.

I don't know. I dreamed I had a pet polar bear and a tiger, and woke up quite happy. This isn't the end of the world. Would we really want a gooner in our squad? Nah. fudge him and fudge them.

Now, on to the next.

That seems likely.

Don't think this was just a "oh we got an injury signing", they've been interested in him for a long time.

On to the next. The time to evaluate our business in the transfer window is when it closes and then again at some point in the future.

 

[Robbo]

They have mate. The article by Miguel Delaney is pretty authoritative in that respect - they agreed a deal in principle for him 10 days ago, and our interest only started after that.

As per Delaney, Palace used us to get Arsenal to up their bid, but both they and Eze knew that Arsenal were in for him - and probably would close the deal if we showed any sign of approaching an agreement.

We did, and Arsenal moved. But the actual verbal agreement with Palace/Eze was done 10 days ago, which means negotiations would have taken place earlier this summer.

If anything, it's a lapse in our intelligence - we should have known this before going into the whole dog-and-pony show. Typically, that is the fault of the DoF, whose job is to maintain domain awareness of this sort of thing. Hence why I think Lange is cooked come window's end, and Paratici probably slides in afterward.

Maybe we did...and figured we could just play along to force Arse to pay more?

 

[mjc23]

Or maybe we've had our pants pulled down and publicly humiliated by our biggest rivals

 

[Finney Is Back]

You all crying over a player that doesn't want to join us? why the fudge would we want him if he has no interest and would rather join the clams down the road? fudge him and them, they don't even need him. He will be on loan at Everton in 2/3 years.

Newsflash…. Pretty much every player in the world would rather join them over us. They operate at a higher level in the table than us and pay more than us.

 

[billyiddo]

Or maybe we've had our pants pulled down and publicly humiliated by our biggest rivals

Regardless of the finer details this is what the outcome is - it's a pretty brutal black eye that we received here

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think people have a tough time not seeing Levy as complicated. He has been amazing at so many things; he cannot help himself in situations like these when the finish line is literally in forearm's reach. It is not a judgement it's an observation. People denying it are no better than the 'Levy has fudged this club up' ranters. He has a glaring and major fault in these situations, and unmtil it is corrected we simply have to accept it will happen and happen again down the road (I include my naive self who actually thought he would close this deal)...

I find it strange that Levy ever has to get involved in player negotiations. It indicates a problem with delegating responsibility.

 

[harr1984]

That seems likely.

Don't think this was just a "oh we got an injury signing", they've been interested in him for a long time.

On to the next. The time to evaluate our business in the transfer window is when it closes and then again at some point in the future.

No offence brain, but the good old 'let's evaluate at the end of the window' that gets trotted out every window after botched attempts is getting tiresome now.

We have had endless opportunities to kick on yet there is always some half baked excuse as to why. ENIC couldn't do it, followed by trying to paint a positive picture of the window all because we acquired one or two decent level PL players supplemented with a load of young hopefuls that we have to pray end up really good.

The long and short of it is ENIC have done well to maximise their asset, but if we ever want to kick on as a FOOTBALL CLUB then we have to have more ambitious owners. This has little to do with Eze, this merely just highlights the owners deficiencies because of how brutal this one is - We have been doing the same dance with transfers for years, nothing has changed regardless of how low or high our stock is....

 

[harr1984]

You all crying over a player that doesn't want to join us? why the fudge would we want him if he has no interest and would rather join the clams down the road? fudge him and them, they don't even need him. He will be on loan at Everton in 2/3 years.

They don't need him? It's called having a squad, it's what the big clubs do - have quality players that can be rotated for all competitions because of injuries etc.

I appreciate that's a foreign concept for you to understand supporting Spurs...

 

[Finney Is Back]

Oh, one other thing - the Director of Football job is meant to be one where you have contacts that tell you about situations like this, so you can avoid them. Agents, binmen, accountants - you're essentially valuable for your network of informants.

For those interested, read up on how these types operate in Italy - it's a hypercompetitive job where knowing which mistress a player saw on a particular weekend is priceless information that DoFs will bid for, just to get an edge in transfer negotiations.

The Prem is like that now. It wasn't before, but it is now exactly like Italian football used to be in the 1990s - flush with cash, hypercompetitive, riven through with legal and illegal means to gain an edge, from doping to tapping up to shady accounting and more.

In fact, the PL does all those things on a level that would make the old Italians blush.

Paratici lives for this world - it's his world, and it's no coincidence that we made some of our best post-Poch transfers under him, from Romero to Deki and Kulu.

But Lange? It's just hard to see him survive in a world like that. The man has no great rolodex to rely on, his experience is relatively minimal (Denmark, a year at Villa and then tossed for the actual DoF in Monchi). So I suspect it weakens us in these sorts of situations where knowing about this deal Arsenal had for Eze through contacts, etc., would have saved us a shedload of embarassment.

It's no surprise Paratici is creeping back into the scope - I suspect he'll oust Lange before long, and to be honest, I think it would help us.

Lange is a very good chief scout.

The question I would ask is whether a really respected DoF like Monchi would be prepared to work at Spurs where he is unlikely to get much responsibility from the chairman. The very best talent in any field won’t accept being micro managed. The likes of Hitchen will though.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Have Arsenal just done a deal in 2 years that we couldn’t do in 3 weeks?

Newsflash…. Pretty much every player in the world would rather join them over us. They operate at a higher level in the table than us and pay more than us.

I thought you said it was Levy's fault for dithering, which one is it?

 

[Lemonade Money]

I find it strange that Levy ever has to get involved in player negotiations. It indicates a problem with delegating responsibility.

Also, Levy is a top negotiator. How do you know it didn't get done because he did delegate this time?

 

[Finney Is Back]

They have mate. The article by Miguel Delaney is pretty authoritative in that respect - they agreed a deal in principle for him 10 days ago, and our interest only started after that.

As per Delaney, Palace used us to get Arsenal to up their bid, but both they and Eze knew that Arsenal were in for him - and probably would close the deal if we showed any sign of approaching an agreement.

We did, and Arsenal moved. But the actual verbal agreement with Palace/Eze was done 10 days ago, which means negotiations would have taken place earlier this summer.

If anything, it's a lapse in our intelligence - we should have known this before going into the whole dog-and-pony show. Typically, that is the fault of the DoF, whose job is to maintain domain awareness of this sort of thing. Hence why I think Lange is cooked come window's end, and Paratici probably slides in afterward.

Mate…. Delaney is full of brick. If that was the case why didn’t he break that same story days ago?

 

[SpurMeUp]

Dialectic here.
He is an Arsenalk fan AND he had agreed to join us and had settled personal terms. We dithered. They took their shot. I have no animosity towards the player.
I also agree 'onwards' but don't believe that Eze himself held up the deal.

Based on your narrative of the club, or what actually happened?

In a £60-70m deal with tens of millions in wages as well, do you think an agent and player would sign off quickly and ignore other opportunities? What you’re suggesting would need quite incompetent agents and player acting on impulse.

Maybe you could suggest that we acted too soon. We moved too early. Though we may not have raised the price 10m for the goons if we’d waited. I don’t have a problem with us being opportunistic. We still have the cash and a world of possibilities.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Mate…. Delaney is full of brick. If that was the case why didn’t he break that same story days ago?

Because someone outlined what occurred after the (sensitive) event. Always nice if it fits your narrative tho!

 

[fernadez]

Its true though. If your insight is correct as well, that we decided to put all this effort in to publically humiliate ourselves over a player every man and his dog was saying would go to Arsenal this summer, who.....the head coach had to be f*cking talked into being on board with in terms of fitting in to his system then...we deserve everything we f*cking get. Absolute circus club doesn't even get close.

What's this talk about Frank didn't want him?

 

[glasgowspur]

This definitely feels like it has undone a lot of good work. We won the Europa League and yet lost out to a team that cant even win a league cup these days. All that we’ll see for the next few weeks will be Arsenal supporters taunting us about Eze and rightfully so. It has appeared that we had won the race for him. We should have but no, instead we are the laughing stock of a football club that has pretty much fumbled hard two big deals over the summer and still lack serious pieces to our jigsaw with only ten days of the window left.

I can’t believe that we will sign two ‘right fit’ players in this time. Especially not for a fair price. We will drop points against City, as we won’t be fully ready, and against Bournemouth the atmosphere will be so toxic.

I liked Eze until I realised I have to question his ambition to play for winners. Or why else sign for a team that hasnt won a true trophy since 2019?! I mean he’s literally leaving a team that has won more recently so that he can ‘challenge’ for trophies?!

Arsenal supporters will only be taunting us about winning Eze because they have won fudge all else.
Eze is not the player to get them over the line in the PL or CL.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Oh, one other thing - the Director of Football job is meant to be one where you have contacts that tell you about situations like this, so you can avoid them. Agents, binmen, accountants - you're essentially valuable for your network of informants.

For those interested, read up on how these types operate in Italy - it's a hypercompetitive job where knowing which mistress a player saw on a particular weekend is priceless information that DoFs will bid for, just to get an edge in transfer negotiations.

The Prem is like that now. It wasn't before, but it is now exactly like Italian football used to be in the 1990s - flush with cash, hypercompetitive, riven through with legal and illegal means to gain an edge, from doping to tapping up to shady accounting and more.

In fact, the PL does all those things on a level that would make the old Italians blush.

Paratici lives for this world - it's his world, and it's no coincidence that we made some of our best post-Poch transfers under him, from Romero to Deki and Kulu.

But Lange? It's just hard to see him survive in a world like that. The man has no great rolodex to rely on, his experience is relatively minimal (Denmark, a year at Villa and then tossed for the actual DoF in Monchi). So I suspect it weakens us in these sorts of situations where knowing about this deal Arsenal had for Eze through contacts, etc., would have saved us a shedload of embarassment.

It's no surprise Paratici is creeping back into the scope - I suspect he'll oust Lange before long, and to be honest, I think it would help us.

Absolutely 100%. The revelation that Arsenal agreed a deal in early August goes to my view that this "close relationship" we think we have with CCA is one sided and we have been royally f*cked by them on two "deals" now where they will have had the information that we had slim to no chance of completing either deal but happily let us go through days or weeks of negotiations because- guess what? A) we probably incurred a tonne of fees and B) us coming in helped the real situation they were aiming for materialise. I think Forest and MGW wanted to force City's hand in coming back on their early interest. Didn't happen so he signed a new deal on better wages rather than push for a move to us = inference = Forest weren't that interested in selling and he wasnt that interested in going to us. And then you have the blatant "lets use Spurs to flush out Arsenal's interest and force them to complete the deal theyve essentially already done.

I read something a few years back about Spurs paying higher agent fees than other clubs because we were overly reliant on agents to identify targets, pass us information and close deals and a lot of that explains our poor transfer operations under Poch when Mitchel left and until Paratici joined.