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Paul Stalteri
Ross County FC: Average attendance of 4,372
Livingston was in the league below last season.
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Mikey Moore
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Ross County FC: Average attendance of 4,372
Livingston was in the league below last season.
papaspur
Eidur Gudjohnsen
There's no way you could be comparing the 6th league of England to a top national league, even if it's not as illustrious as many other top-flight leagues. The level of expectation when you're playing with international players mixed in with the fight to get European football makes the comparison silly at best.
monkeybarry
Les Medley
I agree.
And he'll have to learn how to cope with the physical side of the game.
yiddo37
Kasey Keller
You rea
Toughens them up physically and mentally and if they're good enough for the 1st team squad in England they'll become part of it.
Scotland is a great league for players to make their mark.
Toughens them up physically and mentally and if they're good enough for the 1st team squad in England they'll become part of it.
Gazza Dazzla
Christian Ziege
Good move
HarryBreadbap
Darren Caskey
How did we play against Rangers in the EL last season? Your remark is pretty derogatory given the fact that we finished seventeenth last season conceding over sixty goals.
How many starts would he get in the Championship next season, i would guess as many as he would by staying at the club. Top clubs in the Championship aiming for the PL or three three teams relegated last season won't be starting a seventeen year old.
Rangers have a very good manager, and Moore would be a very good addition for them.
This move isn't about the standard of the opposition, it's about getting competitive exposure.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Les Medley
I think it would be a terrible move for him he's a young lad and I believe the sectarian nature of the football clubs in the city would put unbearable pressure on him. I like Glasgow but I was an outsider with no loyalty to either faction.
Welshspur60
Ryan Nelsen
At least he'll get 4 competetive games v Celtic.
Welshspur60
Ryan Nelsen
Totally agree. We talk him up so much. If he is as good as we think he should be first name on the team sheet every game for any championship side or Rangers.
We talk up his potential. He is 17. Modric hadn't even played a game at senior level at the same age.
The level of expectation from some of our fans is mind blowing.
Bishop
Steffen Iversen
It goes hand in hand with the hype that some of the same fans have been talking about him being a generational talent. So the expectations for him are incredibly high for some of the fan base.
The truth is if he was truly a generational talent, he'd probably be getting a lot of 1st team games right now.
I think a loan away will be good for him, gets him games and away from over the top pressure that our fan base is putting on him and gets him closer and ready to play games for us.
Were kane and modric generational talents? Was bale?
Kane and bale weren't starting week in week out for us at the same age.
It's easier for young players abroad. Playing against easier opposition and less physical leagues.
Yes a loan would be good for him. But lets not try and pretend the kid hasn't got massive potential. If he realises it is up to him though. But if he can convert what he's done so far to the senior level in the next few years he will be a great player.
glorygloryeze
Les Medley
It's interesting to delve into the bolded bit: whee exactly has this pressure come from? I suspect it's a bit of PR spin made partly by those close to the club to justify our (imo, not great) transfer window last summer. Some of that PR spin might also be to placate his parents, who are by all accounts very pushy/ambitious for him.
You are right: if he was that much of a generational talent, he'd be getting more games AND being effective. Hopefully a loan to somewhere away from us, but also with enough pressure to perform is the making of him.
Gazza Dazzla
Christian Ziege
He’s 17! Jeez tough crowd!
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Yeah, but he's the Southwark Yamal
Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
Nah
The spin as you call it is because he has excelled beyond every age group
Just like nwaneri or Rooney or Foden or hoddle did
We live in a world where everyone knows everything about everyone don’t forget (scary and grim imo)
The noise will be even more next year when Max Dowman gets chances at Arsenal
We should embrace it but also give him time to thrive
His patents are pretty chilled from what little I know
You’re 100% right about the loan though. He needs the expectation to follow him imo
Bishop
Steffen Iversen
Kane was not a generational talent, he's someone who worked at his game and constantly levelled up. He wasn't identified at a young age as a potential great which is what the generational talent line is aimed at.
Bale was a generational talent and was starting games at 16 and playing regularly at 17 and bought by ourselves at that age. He actually did match the generational talent line.
Modric I think was identified as such but I can't say with 100% certainty how he was viewed in Croatia but the general thought I believe was of a potential generational talent.
To be clear because I think possibly we have a different understanding. A generational talent is someone is one of the very best in the world, not a good player but a great who will go down in the all time lists. They are also a young player who performs at a level beyond the scope of expectation given their age. Right now Lamine Yamal is a great example of a generational talent, likewise so was Rooney. At 16 he didn't play like or at the level of a regular 16 year old.
With regards to Moore I think he has fantastic potential and quite a high ceiling so I have no concerns there. I just understand why some people have gone a bit gaga with regards to how he's being used because they are expecting a Bale or Rooney esque impact at 17 and obviously he's not done that as yet.
I agree in principle, what I'd say is football even for the best requires luck.
If Moore was a right sided player instead of a left, he probably would have got as many games as Gray/Bergvall last season. It's the reason he's going on loan, left side wing/AM is the one place we have so many options we aren't going to spend the time giving a 17 year old a development run.
Do I think Moore is truly generational? no, I think he like Gray has the potential to be a very good top level player, Bergvall & Vuskovich I have a bit more hope for, but these are all judgement calls that usually don't pan out the way we all think. My personal hit meter? I thought Bale, Berbatov, Modric were all something special from very early, I didn't see it in Kane, I also didn't see it in the United version of Ronaldo (see how bad a call that is?)
Spurs and englands top goal scorer of all time is not a generational talent?
Bale couldn't get in our team.
A generational talent isn't about being ahead of the bell curve at 16. It is about being a great player for that generation. Which is their whole carer.