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tommysvr said:
I would say the complete opposite. The Nuno confrontation thing, complaints about referees and other incidents make him look a fool.

So they kept a player they didn’t want to sell. Happens every other week. Move on, we’ll sign someone else.
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Don't agree on the PGMOL part actually. I want more and more clubs to remind that organisation to put in some corrective action and start following the laws of the game again. They are a weakness in the overall football system.
 
Muttley said:
Don't agree on the PGMOL part actually. I want more and more clubs to remind that organisation to put in some corrective action and start following the laws of the game again. They are a weakness in the overall football system.
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It’s called allowing corruption and it’s the norm from the very very top of the sport
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Looks like we've been taken for a massive ride by CCA here.
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That, money, I weirdly think the child birth/issues a week ago didn't help and NF pushed out the help for him, so plays on loyalty, I doubt their owner is hardly shy at using intimidation/emotional blackmail to his favour either.

We move on, you have to hope we knew a week ago that the deal was dead and we have others on boil.
 
tommysvr said:
I don't know why it needs to result in such dramatic inward reflection. There's likely dozens of players we approach every year who for, one reason or another, don't end up signing. This time it happened to play out in the press a bit. Unless it comes out that Spurs actually did do something illegal/immoral or whatever, I don't think there's much to see here.
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We booked a medical for this player thinking that we’d met a release clause. And we failed to sign that player because the owner on the other end of the deal accused us of doing some underhanded stuff. That owner successfully resisted our interest and got that player to sign a new contract.

I get that as Spurs fans we want to play something down where we’ve taken our licks. But this very obviously is not the sort of thing that happens every year. Someone, somewhere along the line has miscalculated something on the Spurs end. I don’t think we actually did anything illegal, but I do think if we actually wanted this player then we made a complete hash of it.

Like, the silence from the club afterwards was taken as a ‘we obviously have a plan and we’re just letting it all play out in a professional way’ and actually it looks like once we shot our shot, we just backed off! I genuinely think this was Levy being interested because the price was so good relative to the player. And it was a punt to see if we could rush it through. We did not act like a club that actually wanted to get this deal done.
 
tommysvr said:
I don't know why it needs to result in such dramatic inward reflection. There's likely dozens of players we approach every year who for, one reason or another, don't end up signing. This time it happened to play out in the press a bit. Unless it comes out that Spurs actually did do something illegal/immoral or whatever, I don't think there's much to see here.
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Absolutely this.........
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
We booked a medical for this player thinking that we’d met a release clause. And we failed to sign that player because the owner on the other end of the deal accused us of doing some underhanded stuff. That owner successfully resisted our interest and got that player to sign a new contract.

I get that as Spurs fans we want to play something down where we’ve taken our licks. But this very obviously is not the sort of thing that happens every year. Someone, somewhere along the line has miscalculated something on the Spurs end. I don’t think we actually did anything illegal, but I do think if we actually wanted this player then we made a complete hash of it.

Like, the silence from the club afterwards was taken as a ‘we obviously have a plan and we’re just letting it all play out in a professional way’ and actually it looks like once we shot our shot, we just backed off! I genuinely think this was Levy being interested because the price was so good relative to the player. And it was a punt to see if we could rush it through. We did not act like a club that actually wanted to get this deal done.
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But we never talk to the press, are known for it, notorious even, so when people said "why don't we clarify" when have we ever?

There are 100s of deals being pushed every day in football and only a small handful make the news, lets alone make fruition. I am not saying we haven't done anything wrong here, we likely have BUT I bet there are clubs to blame for something in every deal that happens that another club could call out, there are so many moving parts it can't not.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
We booked a medical for this player thinking that we’d met a release clause. And we failed to sign that player because the owner on the other end of the deal accused us of doing some underhanded stuff. That owner successfully resisted our interest and got that player to sign a new contract.

I get that as Spurs fans we want to play something down where we’ve taken our licks. But this very obviously is not the sort of thing that happens every year. Someone, somewhere along the line has miscalculated something on the Spurs end. I don’t think we actually did anything illegal, but I do think if we actually wanted this player then we made a complete hash of it.

Like, the silence from the club afterwards was taken as a ‘we obviously have a plan and we’re just letting it all play out in a professional way’ and actually it looks like once we shot our shot, we just backed off! I genuinely think this was Levy being interested because the price was so good relative to the player. And it was a punt to see if we could rush it through. We did not act like a club that actually wanted to get this deal done.
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No. We wanted the player. Seems they wanted him more.

It is that simple. Like every transfer.
 
Lilbaz said:
No. We wanted the player. Seems they wanted him more.

It is that simple. Like every transfer.
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I’m not really disagreeing with you. I think we wanted the player enough at the price, to book a medical. And then the moment it got complicated, we backed away. Just a completely ridiculous situation regardless.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But we never talk to the press, are known for it, notorious even, so when people said "why don't we clarify" when have we ever?

There are 100s of deals being pushed every day in football and only a small handful make the news, lets alone make fruition. I am not saying we haven't done anything wrong here, we likely have BUT I bet there are clubs to blame for something in every deal that happens that another club could call out, there are so many moving parts it can't not.
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I actually don’t have an issue so much with the idea that Spurs did something wrong, or whatever Maranakis is accusing us of.

My issue is that either:

A: we wanted this player and thought whatever moves we laid out were going to be good enough to get this done, and have been surprised and shown up by Forest

Or

B: we actually didn’t want MGW that much. He was interesting enough as a ‘good deal’ at 60m, but it wasn’t the club making a statement of intent, it was the MO we’ve always followed. Which is a knock against the idea that this club is acting differently this summer, in order to push on.


There’s still time. We can sign a MGW type player if we want. We can make other big signings. But I want us to win the league. To do that, I think we need to act differently. My concern with this deal is that we either acted in an amateurish way and have been surprised by the outcome, or that we’ve acted in the way we always have done. Which is to go for ‘good deals’ rather than get over the line the players that the Head Coach actually wants, in enough quantity to win the league.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I actually don’t have an issue so much with the idea that Spurs did something wrong, or whatever Maranakis is accusing us of.

My issue is that either:

A: we wanted this player and thought whatever moves we laid out were going to be good enough to get this done, and have been surprised and shown up by Forest

Or

B: we actually didn’t want MGW that much. He was interesting enough as a ‘good deal’ at 60m, but it wasn’t the club making a statement of intent, it was the MO we’ve always followed. Which is a knock against the idea that this club is acting differently this summer, in order to push on.


There’s still time. We can sign a MGW type player if we want. We can make other big signings. But I want us to win the league. To do that, I think we need to act differently. My concern with this deal is that we either acted in an amateurish way and have been surprised by the outcome, or that we’ve acted in the way we always have done. Which is to go for ‘good deals’ rather than get over the line the players that the Head Coach actually wants, in enough quantity to win the league.
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I don't knock any of that mate at all, but we don't know for certain, so its futile to wind ourselves up on things. If come end of window we have not
done bits in the window, then I will be upset, till then I put this down to par for the PL
 
Lilbaz said:
They offered him £200k a week. We didn't.
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And that’s…comforting to you? I don’t much like the idea that we go for a player, and aren’t confident that we can offer a more attractive proposition than their selling club. Especially when we are Spurs, and our Chairman is saying we need to win the league. And Forest were in the Championship pretty recently.
 
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