Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Legohamster]

Yeah what @Bishop says is completely correct that we shouldn't be restricting ourselves to just PL managers.
However, at the stage we are at and having just taken a punt that clearly has not paid off I think it would be fair for the board to look for a 'safe pair of hands'. And with the likes of Silva/Frank/Glasner, I think it would be a fair assumption that they would have us operating at least at par ie around top7/8. And after this season, and with a fair few of our players young and with a lot of development to do I would be ok with that....

Yep. Agree with all of that

I think we will end up with Frank myself, again I'm fine with this, he's got a good record of developing players

 

[Daisuk]

It was Scott Parker last week, Oliver Glasner next?

 

[harr1984]

Yep. Agree with all of that

I think we will end up with Frank myself, again I'm fine with this, he's got a good record of developing players

Personally would prefer Glasner, but would be fine with Frank aswell as a couple of the other PL managers likely on the list....

 

[Dicko]

Is Glasner always a back 3 guy? Or does he change it up?

Apparently he did once try 4 at the back but is mostly a back 3 guy with attacking full backs.

I did just see this though, which might worry some fans..

 

[fernadez]

Is Glasner always a back 3 guy? Or does he change it up?

Apparently he did once try 4 at the back but is mostly a back 3 guy with attacking full backs.

I did just see this though, which might worry some fans..

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If that 51% is with purpose than I don't see the issue.

Rather that then 23% of it be Romero standing still or Maddison coming to collect than passing it 3 yards sideways.

When a team is progressive with the ball do you even notice how much of it they have it?

I'd prefer Glasner, I like he's step by step built an effective team, but any of him Silva or Frank will have us 8th looking upwards at very worst. Iraola is probably the most risky appointment and even he would have us in that same position.

 

[El Dante]

Is Glasner always a back 3 guy? Or does he change it up?

Apparently he did once try 4 at the back but is mostly a back 3 guy with attacking full backs.

I did just see this though, which might worry some fans..

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Doesn’t worry me. Some teams with high possession pass the ball sideways and backwards and end up going nowhere.

Whereas some teams are decisive, move quickly up the pitch and create chances without the need to dominate possession. I would prefer that model of play.

 

[harr1984]

Ten years or so ago, Possession was just this stat at the top of a list of a few stats after a game that were shown and back then it was barely mentioned for relevance to the game - merely a fact of who had more of the ball.

Now it seems to be of great significance in the statasphere, when the reality is it means very little. It always has and always will boil down to what you do with the ball that counts.....

 

[Raziel]

Right. Hmmm, I wasn't talking about the club, who I trust have the full knopwledge that we don't (and if they don't then we are in deep deep brick).


I was referring to me...or us, supporters. Until we know how many of the lot around Ange are also held culpable, and whether we are sticking or twisting philosophically, then I personally cannot begin to speculate on who should be next. I could say who I'd want! Different things though...

As for the player list, yes, we all have our ideas, but so many factors to consider, not the least of which are who is going to be our manager, how much money Levy will want for certain players, who we actually can move on, whether we will be in the CL or not...

Ahhh .. got you, misunderstood

Personally, not interested in Frank (really not a fan of his style of football), Iriola, Silva, Glasner or even someone from elsewhere I'm ok with (prefer top 5 league with European football experience)

I'd give you a challenge, there has been a common thought that success comes from giving the manager more time, Ange has shown that to be wrong, in hindsight he should have been gone my mid year for the latest and we would likely have saved the season. Add in Jose and Conte did better in their first season than second, until we find the long term person, if the next guy lasts 18 months but gets us to Europe, it's ok to move to someone else.

I'd be ok with that, as long as the club doesn't stick us with unplanned interim managers every time.

 

[Dicko]

Ten years or so ago, Possession was just this stat at the top of a list of a few stats after a game that were shown and back then it was barely mentioned for relevance to the game - merely a fact of who had more of the ball.

Now it seems to be of great significance in the statasphere, when the reality is it means very little. It always has and always will boil down to what you do with the ball that counts.....

True, But I don't think the majority of Spurs fans would want 30% possession and hit on the break football... Even if it worked like this season at Forest then the fans would soon be in meltdown. I bet Forest fans will become greedy soon enough and start complaining and asking for better football now they are getting accustomed to PL football.

 

[harr1984]

True, But I don't think the majority of Spurs fans would want 30% possession and hit on the break football... Even if it worked like this season at Forest then the fans would soon be in meltdown. I bet Forest fans will become greedy soon enough and start complaining and asking for better football now they are getting accustomed to PL football.

Well I can't speak for anybody else on here, but for me I've watched Palace several times (along with Glasner's Frankfurt side) and they have generally been good to watch. I have no idea on their possession stats, but just from the good old fashioned eye test his teams play good football from what I have seen and would be happy to see him work with our squad....

 

[Raziel]

Well I can't speak for anybody else on here, but for me I've watched Palace several times (along with Glasner's Frankfurt side) and they have generally been good to watch. I have no idea on their possession stats, but just from the good old fashioned eye test his teams play good football from what I have seen and would be happy to see him work with our squad....

Possession became a thing because of Pep (not solely but heavily influenced), similar to play out of the back. It's been an era where one of the overarching goal of most systems at top level was to gain/keep possession.

Hence a lot of people put a lot of emphasis on it.

Interestingly there is some conversation that we are moving back to more counter systems as a trend.

 

[fernadez]

Well I can't speak for anybody else on here, but for me I've watched Palace several times (along with Glasner's Frankfurt side) and they have generally been good to watch. I have no idea on their possession stats, but just from the good old fashioned eye test his teams play good football from what I have seen and would be happy to see him work with our squad....

Added to this I've watched Forest and was at the game the other week.

How they play has been overdone a bit. They don't sit super deep with a line of 15, they are just very well organized in defence and when they get the ball know what they're going to do and do it. I found them quite exciting to watch personally.

 

[Jordinho]

Ten years or so ago, Possession was just this stat at the top of a list of a few stats after a game that were shown and back then it was barely mentioned for relevance to the game - merely a fact of who had more of the ball.

Now it seems to be of great significance in the statasphere, when the reality is it means very little. It always has and always will boil down to what you do with the ball that counts.....

Possession seems to be calculated from the number passes you make, not how much of the match you have the ball. Romero standing on the ball for 5 minutes before passing counts the same as the quick backpass the next player makes.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

Possession became a thing because of Pep (not solely but heavily influenced), similar to play out of the back. It's been an era where one of the overarching goal of most systems at top level was to gain/keep possession.

Hence a lot of people put a lot of emphasis on it.

Interestingly there is some conversation that we are moving back to more counter systems as a trend.

I believe Del Bosque set the trend when his Spain team started playing without a proper number 9 (I think it was him, could be wrong). The lack of variety in football these days is also a worry. As soon as someone gets some measure of success, you see a lot of managers trying to copy their system/method.

Creativity is an important attribute on the pitch, but also on the bench.

 

[Raziel]

I believe Del Bosque set the trend when his Spain team started playing without a proper number 9 (I think it was him, could be wrong). The lack of variety in football these days is also a worry. As soon as someone gets some measure of success, you see a lot of managers trying to copy their system/method.

Creativity is an important attribute on the pitch, but also on the bench.

Lack of variety, emphasis on players doing exactly the orders, focus on athlete's, lack of specialization (yes, aware a little paradox statement), not sure it improves the game.

The question becomes does it limit the room for the truly mercurial types and is that a good thing?

 

[Baleforce]

I believe Del Bosque set the trend when his Spain team started playing without a proper number 9 (I think it was him, could be wrong). The lack of variety in football these days is also a worry. As soon as someone gets some measure of success, you see a lot of managers trying to copy their system/method.

Creativity is an important attribute on the pitch, but also on the bench.

I think France were doing it first, was it Guivarch (sp?) they were using as, umm, a, err, distraction?

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I think France were doing it first, was it Guivarch (sp?) they were using as, umm, a, err, distraction?

I remember telling everyone under the sun 'if there's one team that can't win the World Cup in 98, it's got to be France'...

I think there's a slight difference: they would have used a striker if they had a decent one but all they had was Guivarc'h and Dugarry, who was on the team because he was Zidane's pal. Spain was a little different because they had Villa and Torres, who were both quality players, whom they used as 'false 9s'. Anyway, it's purely academic and tip my hat to you for remembering that horrible France side from the late 90s!

 

[Baleforce]

I remember telling everyone under the sun 'if there's one team that can't win the World Cup in 98, it's got to be France'...

I think there's a slight difference: they would have used a striker if they had a decent one but all they had was Guivarc'h and Dugarry, who was on the team because he was Zidane's pal. Spain was a little different because they had Villa and Torres, who were both quality players, whom they used as 'false 9s'. Anyway, it's purely academic and tip my hat to you for remembering that horrible France side from the late 90s!

… that won the World Cup