Baleforce
Vinnie Samways
But if you can keep your VW running, that Bentley is going to break down at some point.
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Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?
- Thread starter Daisuk
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But if you can keep your VW running, that Bentley is going to break down at some point.
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Love mine TBF...
Baleforce
Vinnie Samways
Given the position the current manager has us in i find a steady pair of hands quite appealing for the immediate tbh - I'd happily take Silva Frank Iraola Glasner Howe Emery and be confident that they would have us back in the European positions without too much sweat and from there have as good a chance as anyone else as pushing us forwards. Obviously Howe & Emery are not going to come to us but they show you don't need to be particularly special to work. Showing you can put your ideas in to action in the PL and get your teams playing greater than the sum of their parts without having to rely on outspending your rivals shows a manager to be good at their job and a good marker that they would do well here imv I do agree with @Bishop that we coaches from abroad can also have that affect but right now we need someone proven in this league just to eliminate any potential 'failing to adapt to the league' problems - how do we tell the Arne Slots from the Frank De Boers for example?
Think you are underestimating both emery and howe. Both are excellent managers.
They are and i believe given the chance at a club of similar or better stature the other managers listed would also prove themselves to be too.
fernadez
Justin Edinburgh
I wouldn't say any of them have flamed outside of Ange. They have all got Top 8 finishes and been around there pr higher when sacked. If it was Silva, Glasner or anyone else and they finished 7th, 5th, 6th then they would have done the job that met the standards of the club. Finish higher you're over achieving, add a cup to a 6th or more league finish and you're a legend.
This is the reason why we'll always be attractive to managers. The bar is set, the challenge is can you push it a bit higher. If Ange was in the top half with the semi final he'd be safe as houses. He is where he is because of his own decisions when it comes to organising a team defensively and how he belives the game should be played. Where we are in the table isn't down to the board. I have my own issues with how we're run but we are still club with the ability to finish in the top half looking up with our playing squad even with the injuries (regardless of who you belive is a fault).
That's why I keep saying our next manager needs to be pragmatic, which the above are. Come in, look at what is there and marry that with how you want to play and what you want to achieve. Any manager that does that will the players we have will have us back where we've been for the last 16 years.
Anyone who comes will have 2/3 season so show an upward curve, if not they'll get moved on. No issues with that. I would have issues with the guy finishing 7th, 6th and 5th and being sacked for example however.
Somewhat luckily there are a number of pragmatic managers around at the minute to choose from, and with Premier League experience. I think Glasner will be high up on the list given the historical links and him being reported to be leaving Palace regardless. Look at him, didn't win any of the first 8, then adapted and progressed slowly to his team is well drilled and a coheisive unit. This is what I'm looking for. When you have that the x factor of your players is the icing on top,
Muttley
Kasey Keller
I'm wondering whether it is also important for Spurs to find a manager who has a backroom staff that joins with him.
Part of the problem with Ange was that he had to impart to his new coaches how he wanted to play the game before they could impart it onto the players. Perhaps they didn't quite believe in the tactical system, or at least tried to convince themselves they did.
If we just got Silva or Iraola (examples) and they had to build new coaching teams, would we suffer again?
The alternative line of thinking is that Wells, Mason etc have also been the victims of Ange's setup. Perhaps under a better manager they would align more easily to the philosophy and perform better in their roles. After all, they were THFC employees first and not part of the Ange incoming package.
I think we tend to focus on the one man that is in charge, but you have to get the entire machine oiled from manager, to fitness coaches to tactical coaches to medical team etc.
Part of the problem with Ange was that he had to impart to his new coaches how he wanted to play the game before they could impart it onto the players. Perhaps they didn't quite believe in the tactical system, or at least tried to convince themselves they did.
If we just got Silva or Iraola (examples) and they had to build new coaching teams, would we suffer again?
The alternative line of thinking is that Wells, Mason etc have also been the victims of Ange's setup. Perhaps under a better manager they would align more easily to the philosophy and perform better in their roles. After all, they were THFC employees first and not part of the Ange incoming package.
I think we tend to focus on the one man that is in charge, but you have to get the entire machine oiled from manager, to fitness coaches to tactical coaches to medical team etc.
Mourinho....
paxtonwolf
Taffy O'Callaghan
Please Mr Pochettino come home, I get the feeling you are not really loved by the Americans and make Harry Kane your first priority, they dont appreciate him in Munich, he will have his trophy, objective achieved, come home as well
Bishop
Pedro Mendes
I'd target a finish in the top 8, there's a lot to reconfigure and players to re-evaluate. A new manager 's system to integrate etc and all of their new thoughts. I'd argue a Top 8 finish would be good enough progress.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
It will say a lot about us that we would not have moved on from either if that were to happen.
Actually it would show more about our ownership and their limitations
Dicko
Pat van den Hauwe
Back in 2013, Andre Villas-Boas was sacked after a 5-0 thrashing by Liverpool. It was, at the time, their worst defeat at White Hart Lane in 16 years.
The reaction from the dressing room was surprisingly emotional. Former Spurs defender Kyle Walker later revealed on his podcast that the players were in tears upon hearing the news.
"I've got tears running down my eyes... Michael Dawson is welling up,” Walker recalled. “That's how much he meant to the lads.
“Gareth Bale was a massive, massive loss. They signed seven players off the back of the Bale money.
“There are a lot of changes there and we just never really gelled in time for him [Villas-Boas] to then do well. For 10 or 12 men to be crying because the manager's gone, he's done something well in the dressing room."
While Villas-Boas clearly left his mark on the squad, tensions behind the scenes undermined his tenure.
The fallout from the £85m transfer of Gareth Bale to Real Madrid cast a long shadow. Reports suggest Villas-Boas objected to four of the seven players signed with the Bale money – Erik Lamela, Nacer Chadli, Vlad Chiriches, and Christian Eriksen.
His own preferred targets, including Hulk, Joao Moutinho, and David Villa, were reportedly vetoed by Levy.
Reflecting on his time at Spurs in an interview with the Italian press, Villas-Boas offered a glimpse into the frustrations that ultimately derailed his tenure.
"The first season was magnificent in all aspects," he said. "We had a ‘short’ squad in terms of depth, but a great spirit and so much will. We picked up the most points in Spurs’ history, with an incredible Bale playing behind Adebayor where he was free to move, but also with Lennon and Walker, who allowed us to have a good counter-attacking 4-4-2."
"In April, we started planning for the next season. I offered some names to buy and sell, but during the transfer window, the board didn’t listen and quickly destroyed everything we’d created."
The reaction from the dressing room was surprisingly emotional. Former Spurs defender Kyle Walker later revealed on his podcast that the players were in tears upon hearing the news.
"I've got tears running down my eyes... Michael Dawson is welling up,” Walker recalled. “That's how much he meant to the lads.
“Gareth Bale was a massive, massive loss. They signed seven players off the back of the Bale money.
“There are a lot of changes there and we just never really gelled in time for him [Villas-Boas] to then do well. For 10 or 12 men to be crying because the manager's gone, he's done something well in the dressing room."
While Villas-Boas clearly left his mark on the squad, tensions behind the scenes undermined his tenure.
The fallout from the £85m transfer of Gareth Bale to Real Madrid cast a long shadow. Reports suggest Villas-Boas objected to four of the seven players signed with the Bale money – Erik Lamela, Nacer Chadli, Vlad Chiriches, and Christian Eriksen.
His own preferred targets, including Hulk, Joao Moutinho, and David Villa, were reportedly vetoed by Levy.
Reflecting on his time at Spurs in an interview with the Italian press, Villas-Boas offered a glimpse into the frustrations that ultimately derailed his tenure.
"The first season was magnificent in all aspects," he said. "We had a ‘short’ squad in terms of depth, but a great spirit and so much will. We picked up the most points in Spurs’ history, with an incredible Bale playing behind Adebayor where he was free to move, but also with Lennon and Walker, who allowed us to have a good counter-attacking 4-4-2."
"In April, we started planning for the next season. I offered some names to buy and sell, but during the transfer window, the board didn’t listen and quickly destroyed everything we’d created."
Doesn't sound like something our board would do does it?
This is the thing when people go 'Manager has been backed, we have spent x amount of money'. If he is being delivered players he did not want or ask for, then it's not really backing him at all....
Lemonade Money
Nayim
If only we'd paid £100m for Hulk.
fernadez
Justin Edinburgh
This is really where my only issues with the board lie to an extent.
If you get a man in and he's asking for something that is within the constraints of the club then back him. Or hire coaches that are happy to work with whatever is given. He should be able to balance purchase cost x wages from whatever budget has been assigned to transfers.
To be fair it seems like we've bucked this trend with Ange and combined his wants with younger club business for the future. I have no issue with this and think it's the model that we should work with. Just don't be selling a managers players and then offering up cheaper worse alternatives cause of the books.
On everything else, the stats show that we're well run, outside the doped clubs we compete where and above where we should be at. Semi-finals and finals. Just need to get in the right manager and see what happens.
If you get a man in and he's asking for something that is within the constraints of the club then back him. Or hire coaches that are happy to work with whatever is given. He should be able to balance purchase cost x wages from whatever budget has been assigned to transfers.
To be fair it seems like we've bucked this trend with Ange and combined his wants with younger club business for the future. I have no issue with this and think it's the model that we should work with. Just don't be selling a managers players and then offering up cheaper worse alternatives cause of the books.
On everything else, the stats show that we're well run, outside the doped clubs we compete where and above where we should be at. Semi-finals and finals. Just need to get in the right manager and see what happens.
Legohamster
Tom Huddlestone
Agreed.
But I am going to guess that Levy will be looking at PL proven managers
Our biggest successes league wise have been under Harry/mopo/conte in league finishes/CL qualification.
Yeah what @Bishop says is completely correct that we shouldn't be restricting ourselves to just PL managers.
However, at the stage we are at and having just taken a punt that clearly has not paid off I think it would be fair for the board to look for a 'safe pair of hands'. And with the likes of Silva/Frank/Glasner, I think it would be a fair assumption that they would have us operating at least at par ie around top7/8. And after this season, and with a fair few of our players young and with a lot of development to do I would be ok with that....