Ange in or out?

[Yiddo]

VDV isn't a particularly good defender IMO. Just has pace that gets him out of trouble sometimes.

He is a lot like Kyle Walker, pretty poor 1v1 but his pace helps him out massively. It's always easier to defend when you are chasing back and are faster than the guy with the ball.

 

[monkeybarry]

Ange Postecoglou says Tottenham receive less backing in media than other clubs

Ange Postecoglou gives an impassioned, detailed defence of his record while adding he is struggling with unique challenges at Tottenham.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just you thought he couldn't get more delusional.
I think he might have a good complex.
When he first came, and was a breath of fresh air, he was the talk of the town. Nots it's been brick for a long period he's getting criticism - it's justified Ange, stop playing the victim.

 

[tommysvr]

I get one guy feels an affinity towards him given the Aussie thing and going all in on him, but no one wanted him to fail, I am not saying he should go for banter, its clearly really really really bad, its not knee jerk after 20 losses in a season.

The others defending him just like to say how bad Spurs are as a club in 101 different ways, so Ange is being used as a tool for that

Mate you really think I care that much that Spurs is managed by an Aussie? I picked him out as a potential manager because he had a very good record. It just so happens he was actually given the job.

That I’ve backed him until now is also nothing to do with his nationality. I find that accusation so fudging offensive to be honest. Like @Bedfordspurs who said I must only like Son because I live in Asia.

I’ve backed him because I’ve seen Spurs sack pretty much every manager within 18-24 months. Barring relegation, I don’t see short term pain as huge issue…even if Ange isn’t the eventual answer.

There are people with opinions that are glazed over even when the facts present themselves. I hand never known so many angles going to defend such a poor season and manager. We sacked mourinho, conte and poch for various reasons and some can contest too early … but with Ange it’s clear that he is managing in a very very poor fashion. The results and facts don’t lie but some still try to find angles to defend him or try to reason why it’s going so wrong … even with previous managers there was abuse and bias that was justified but cannot be the same with Ange.

He’s a busted flush and should have been flushed down the pan a long long time ago.

It seems like levy is trying to learn from previous mistakes the one time he is justified for pulling the trigger

I assume you’re referring to me in part of that. Can you point out where I’ve defended Ange in the last 24 hours? I simply said I don’t think singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” at your own manager is ever acceptable. I didn’t think it was acceptable when it was sung at Nuno either.

 

[RigorMortis]

His press conference is ridiculous.
Still banging on about VAR and totally gaslighting on the cupping the ear issue.

what a pathetic inept clown

 

[Gazza]

Mate you really think I care that much that Spurs is managed by an Aussie? I picked him out as a potential manager because he had a very good record. It just so happens he was actually given the job.

That I’ve backed him until now is also nothing to do with his nationality. I find that accusation so fudging offensive to be honest. Like @Bedfordspurs who said I must only like Son because I live in Asia.

I’ve backed him because I’ve seen Spurs sack pretty much every manager within 18-24 months. Barring relegation, I don’t see short term pain as huge issue…even if Ange isn’t the eventual answer.



I assume you’re referring to me in part of that. Can you point out where I’ve defended Ange in the last 24 hours? I simply said I don’t think singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” at your own manager is ever acceptable. I didn’t think it was acceptable when it was sung at Nuno either.

He doesn’t know what he is doing with the team, tactically or otherwise. Fans from all corners of the globe would have sung that at one time in their history or another. He’s a big boy and he can see reason why the fans have voiced that. I’m sure he fully gets it going by how intelligent he is in some of his remarks to the pressers.

And it’s not exclusive to you in my post. And it’s not in response to 24 hours either it’s a general point that you are certainly a staunch defender of… I didn’t read such angles from your others when it came to defending other managers so sensitively … managers that clearly were not anywhere as bad with this poor record.

He was good for ten games and that’s it.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Hopefully he will continue adjusting himself so as speed is less a factor in his game than defensive work. I feel I am already watching him adjust his running style (that could be confirmation bias built around the knowledge he has said he would be doing that)...

I do also worry that VDV's pace has allowed many to overrate him. Think having that pace is useful in a high line for recovery and he's clearly a good footballer but in a situation where he's made to defend in a "non covering" situation such as defending crosses, set plays, blocking, standing up opponents wingers, positioning he can often be loose and found wanting. With Kyle Walker his willingness to almost engage in poor defending by letting his man go in order to use his pace as a weapon wasn't an issue as he was playing full back. With VDV it is an issue.

A lot of our players are overrated. Or at least right now it's hard to see where player deficiency and poor coaching and tactics begin, end or overlap. I think we have to at least consider that many of our players are significantly overrated. For all VDV and Romero are lauded by some, we do not look a good defensive unit when they are together.

GHod, the whole thing is just such a mess I don't know where to begin with it

 

[afsoc4life]

Ange Postecoglou says Tottenham receive less backing in media than other clubs

Ange Postecoglou gives an impassioned, detailed defence of his record while adding he is struggling with unique challenges at Tottenham.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just you thought he couldn't get more delusional.
I think he might have a good complex.
When he first came, and was a breath of fresh air, he was the talk of the town. Nots it's been brick for a long period he's getting criticism - it's justified Ange, stop playing the victim.

We deserve what we get. Is he wrong? How many times have we mentioned about the difference in reffing? The victim here is Spurs not him. I have no problem with him drawing attention.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

I do also worry that VDV's pace has allowed many to overrate him. Think having that pace is useful in a high line for recovery and he's clearly a good footballer but in a situation where he's made to defend in a "non covering" situation such as defending crosses, set plays, blocking, standing up opponents wingers, positioning he can often be loose and found wanting. With Kyle Walker his willingness to almost engage in poor defending by letting his man go in order to use his pace as a weapon wasn't an issue as he was playing full back. With VDV it is an issue.

A lot of our players are overrated. Or at least right now it's hard to see where player deficiency and poor coaching and tactics begin, end or overlap. I think we have to at least consider that many of our players are significantly overrated. For all VDV and Romero are lauded by some, we do not look a good defensive unit when they are together.

GHod, the whole thing is just such a mess I don't know where to begin with it

I haven't seen it but I spoke to a dad at school yesterday who is a spurs fan, and he said Harry Redknapp was asked to assess the spurs team and his team he managed, and apparently he didn't pick one of the current spurs team, even picking Dawson over Romero and VDV.

After thinking about it and looking at the team, I think he could be right. He did pick Gomes over Vicario though which I think is a bit too much.

But everyone else you could give an argument to keep in.

 

[Grays_1890]

Mate you really think I care that much that Spurs is managed by an Aussie? I picked him out as a potential manager because he had a very good record. It just so happens he was actually given the job.

That I’ve backed him until now is also nothing to do with his nationality. I find that accusation so fudging offensive to be honest. Like @Bedfordspurs who said I must only like Son because I live in Asia.

I’ve backed him because I’ve seen Spurs sack pretty much every manager within 18-24 months. Barring relegation, I don’t see short term pain as huge issue…even if Ange isn’t the eventual answer.



I assume you’re referring to me in part of that. Can you point out where I’ve defended Ange in the last 24 hours? I simply said I don’t think singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” at your own manager is ever acceptable. I didn’t think it was acceptable when it was sung at Nuno either.

Then I apologise

 

[harr1984]

I do also worry that VDV's pace has allowed many to overrate him. Think having that pace is useful in a high line for recovery and he's clearly a good footballer but in a situation where he's made to defend in a "non covering" situation such as defending crosses, set plays, blocking, standing up opponents wingers, positioning he can often be loose and found wanting. With Kyle Walker his willingness to almost engage in poor defending by letting his man go in order to use his pace as a weapon wasn't an issue as he was playing full back. With VDV it is an issue.

A lot of our players are overrated. Or at least right now it's hard to see where player deficiency and poor coaching and tactics begin, end or overlap. I think we have to at least consider that many of our players are significantly overrated. For all VDV and Romero are lauded by some, we do not look a good defensive unit when they are together.

GHod, the whole thing is just such a mess I don't know where to begin with it

A lot of our players are overrated. Udogie is average, for the past year I'd go as far as to say he has been poor. VDV is not a good defender, and Romero is not reliable yet some even go as far as to say he is world class. Our CMs are average with the ability to have a very good game, but have high hopes for Bergvall and Gray. Then our wingers? Over the hill, bang average or have 'potential'. We are hardly the envy of other clubs in the CF position either. Yet some keep making reference to what a great squad we have, all we need is for Ange to leave and they will all be amazing.

Fact is most of them with a few exceptions are average and inconsistent which has been the case with a lot of players here for many a year. Shudder to think where we would have been without Kane and top class version of Son all those years....

 

[Legohamster]

Ange Postecoglou says Tottenham receive less backing in media than other clubs

Ange Postecoglou gives an impassioned, detailed defence of his record while adding he is struggling with unique challenges at Tottenham.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just you thought he couldn't get more delusional.
I think he might have a good complex.
When he first came, and was a breath of fresh air, he was the talk of the town. Nots it's been brick for a long period he's getting criticism - it's justified Ange, stop playing the victim.

people don't really see what I'm trying to do, then I don't think they're ever going to see it,


Get us relegated?

 

[Legohamster]

We deserve what we get. Is he wrong? How many times have we mentioned about the difference in reffing? The victim here is Spurs not him. I have no problem with him drawing attention.

Didn't He said he would never complain about a refs call when he first came to the club?

 

[Legohamster]

A lot of our players are overrated. Udogie is average, for the past year I'd go as far as to say he has been poor. VDV is not a good defender, and Romero is not reliable yet some even go as far as to say he is world class. Our CMs are average with the ability to have a very good game, but have high hopes for Bergvall and Gray. Then our wingers? Over the hill, bang average or have 'potential'. We are hardly the envy of other clubs in the CF position either. Yet some keep making reference to what a great squad we have, all we need is for Ange to leave and they will all be amazing.

Fact is most of them with a few exceptions are average and inconsistent which has been the case with a lot of players here for many a year. Shudder to think where we would have been without Kane and top class version of Son all those years....

I don't disagree with parts of this, for me the only positives of this season have been Bergvall and Gray (who he's now dropped out of sight) I'd build the midfield around those two till the end of the season

I certainly think Biss/Davies/Romero and a few others need to be upgraded/replaced in the summer

I've no idea how good the first team is as they are always injured and in a system that is completely unsuited and scrambles the players brains.

Udogie needs to go back to basics of being a full back, he's clearly got talent.

 

[Robspur12]

Didn't He said he would never complain about a refs call when he first came to the club?

I'm not even sure what he is complaining about? There wasn't a bad call against Chelsea? Is he complaining that the VAR decision shouldn't have been reviewed in the first place as the referee took too long to make his decision? If you are going to moan, and I don't particularly like that, then moan about a real injustice.

The guy has some rather horrible petulant personality traits that particularly come out when he is under pressure. He's not "defending Spurs" when he is being petulant towards interviewers or arguing with his own fans.

 

[Baleforce]

We deserve what we get. Is he wrong? How many times have we mentioned about the difference in reffing? The victim here is Spurs not him. I have no problem with him drawing attention.

Drawing attention to VAR working?

It was a foul and the goal was rightly disallowed.

 

[Daisuk]

Just for the record, although I’ve stated so many times already, I don’t think he’s a good enough coach for us and that we probably should have sacked him November/December. Him cupping his ear and then lying about it does not help him, obviously - and personally, I’ve never really found him as charming as some did. Having said that, I feel for the guy on a human level having to sit there week in, week out having to defend himself. It can’t be easy. At this point, if I were him, I would probably resign. I reckon he might do if we crash out against Frankfurt, unless there is some huge payout if he gets sacked rather than resign - in which case, he can blame himself to a degree for the stick he is getting. Surely he must have lost hope in the project some time ago himself.

 

[Muttley]

We deserve what we get. Is he wrong? How many times have we mentioned about the difference in reffing? The victim here is Spurs not him. I have no problem with him drawing attention.

So we write all the time about Sky Sports being red to the core, but our manager isn't allowed to?

I've been highly critical of our club not pushing back on the imbecilic refereeing from PGMOL and I feel equally about the clear bias against us that we see in the media. I'f your name is Jurgen, you just gaslight both until they start being nice to you. I hate gaslighting, but perhaps Ange now doing a bit of gaslighting himself towards these pricks is what is required. Perhaps he should drive around in his car spitting at young girls like Sky presenters get away with.

I really want both PGMOL and Sky thinking there will be backlash every time they want to take a cheap shot at our club.

 

[stratnumberone]

So we write all the time about Sky Sports being red to the core, but our manager isn't allowed to?

I've been highly critical of our club not pushing back on the imbecilic refereeing from PGMOL and I feel equally about the clear bias against us that we see in the media. I'f your name is Jurgen, you just gaslight both until they start being nice to you. I hate gaslighting, but perhaps Ange now doing a bit of gaslighting himself towards these pricks is what is required. Perhaps he should drive around in his car spitting at young girls like Sky presenters get away with.

I really want both PGMOL and Sky thinking there will be backlash every time they want to take a cheap shot at our club.

I think that there is some validity in the argument. However, I think he picked a strange game to raise that argument because our goal was clearly correctly disallowed. The officials even got the added time (12 mins wasn’t it?) correct which was a rare and unexpected ‘treat’.

 

[Baleforce]

Just for the record, although I’ve stated so many times already, I don’t think he’s a good enough coach for us and that we probably should have sacked him November/December. Him cupping his ear and then lying about it does not help him, obviously - and personally, I’ve never really found him as charming as some did. Having said that, I feel for the guy on a human level having to sit there week in, week out having to defend himself. It can’t be easy. At this point, if I were him, I would probably resign. I reckon he might do if we crash out against Frankfurt, unless there is some huge payout if he gets sacked rather than resign - in which case, he can blame himself to a degree for the stick he is getting. Surely he must have lost hope in the project some time ago himself.

Like you say he can resign.

Or, he could start setting us up properly and get sone results.

He has the power to change his actions, and our performances.

 

[Mikey10]

He was good for ten games and that’s it.

Ten games in which we were often quite lucky. After that, other managers figured out how to negate the system. End of his period of ‘success’ with us as he had no answers.

I haven't seen it but I spoke to a dad at school yesterday who is a spurs fan, and he said Harry Redknapp was asked to assess the spurs team and his team he managed, and apparently he didn't pick one of the current spurs team, even picking Dawson over Romero and VDV.

After thinking about it and looking at the team, I think he could be right. He did pick Gomes over Vicario though which I think is a bit too much.

But everyone else you could give an argument to keep in.

Jack Pitt-Brooke says on the latest View From the Lane that he has switched his view from thinking we have a good team being hamstrung by a poor system to thinking that we have a poor team which is capable of occasional good days.