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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 74 42.5%

  • Out

    Votes: 100 57.5%
  • Total voters
    174
One of the other ironic things about the current situation is that we still have a (slim) shot at Europa League and that could be Ange's only shot at redemption.

Throughout his reign, he's spoken about solitary cup wins not being worth a whole lot. He wanted to build something sustainable that would have us challenging at the top end of football for years to come. Now he's in a position where our top-6 status has crumbled away, we're lower than we've been in 20-30 years and all that can save him is what would be a kind of flukey cup win.

It wouldn't change much. If he stayed on, I couldn't see us doing well in the Champions League or the Premier League next season. I sincerely hope we win it because it's been so long since we won a trophy but as for it meaning anything in the long term...no chance IMO.

Then again, I don't think we'll even find that much out because I don't believe we will win it.
 
DeanoAustin said:
One of the other ironic things about the current situation is that we still have a (slim) shot at Europa League and that could be Ange's only shot at redemption.

Throughout his reign, he's spoken about solitary cup wins not being worth a whole lot. He wanted to build something sustainable that would have us challenging at the top end of football for years to come. Now he's in a position where our top-6 status has crumbled away, we're lower than we've been in 20-30 years and all that can save him is what would be a kind of flukey cup win.

It wouldn't change much. If he stayed on, I couldn't see us doing well in the Champions League or the Premier League next season. I sincerely hope we win it because it's been so long since we won a trophy but as for it meaning anything in the long term...no chance IMO.

Then again, I don't think we'll even find that much out because I don't believe we will win it.
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The fact that we haven't even had any short term success, let alone long term success leaves me absolutely desperate to win it. Let's just win a trophy and see where it takes us instead of worrying that it might not lead to long-term success (we won't achieve that under these owners anyway so lets just take any win we can).
 
Jordinho said:
He was a terrible manager, as proven in other jobs, and the team was in total disarray by the time he left. Much credit to Poch for sorting that out and getting rid of all the toxicity.
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He is also a fcuking idiot of a bloke

His record at Spurs was ok, given his record after at other clubs, including an absolute shambles of a time at Swindon, I am absolutely fine with thinking he is terrible
 
Finney Is Back said:
The fact that we haven't even had any short term success, let alone long term success leaves me absolutely desperate to win it. Let's just win a trophy and see where it takes us instead of worrying that it might not lead to long-term success (we won't achieve that under these owners anyway so lets just take any win we can).
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One trophy every ten years would be fudging amazing
 
Grays_1890 said:
He is also a fcuking idiot of a bloke

His record at Spurs was ok, given his record after at other clubs, including an absolute shambles of a time at Swindon, I am absolutely fine with thinking he is terrible
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He was a bit of a clam

The issue here is basically across 16+ years of managers and interims, Ange is the hard outlier, the big underperformer, it's not even close.

I'm not buying no one else on market, can't find replacement brick. Responsible management would probably have had a short list at beginning of season based on end of last, if not, by fudging November would absolutely have had to have one, to say at this stage we don't have a plan for both a interim option and long term replacement would be fudging criminal negligence.
 
Raziel said:
He was a bit of a clam

The issue here is basically across 16+ years of managers and interims, Ange is the hard outlier, the big underperformer, it's not even close.

I'm not buying no one else on market, can't find replacement brick. Responsible management would probably have had a short list at beginning of season based on end of last, if not, by fudging November would absolutely have had to have one, to say at this stage we don't have a plan for both a interim option and long term replacement would be fudging criminal negligence.
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Agree with all that
 
tommysvr said:
FFS. Can people read?

I’m talking about the effect these things have on Spurs. Confidence is already rock bottom. The players look brick scared to make any passes. Who can blame them? They know they’re not far away from the ridicule themselves.

That is not going to help us win games. That is not going to help us win the Europa League. That is all I fudging care about. Not Ange Postecoglou’s pride or personal feelings. I want Spurs to win.
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Why is confidence rock bottom? That is a lot to do with the manager not managing
 
We are 14th in the table after 30 games, above 16th on GD. We've lost 20 times. We've just lost to one of our bitter rivals, in a game in which our own manager decided to mock our away fans, and we are all on here debating whether singing "you don't know what you're doing" counts as abuse or not.......the quicker this season ends the better!
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
We are 14th in the table after 30 games, above 16th on GD. We've lost 20 times. We've just lost to one of our bitter rivals, in a game in which our own manager decided to mock our away fans, and we are all on here debating whether singing "you don't know what you're doing" counts as abuse or not.......the quicker this season ends the better!
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Believe it or not, it's even worse than that

PPG chart below, summary

- Ange has the worst PPG since 93/94 (fudging 31 years)
- On a PPG basis, we have only had 3 worse seasons in 75+ fudging years

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Silly McSilly Face said:
We are 14th in the table after 30 games, above 16th on GD. We've lost 20 times. We've just lost to one of our bitter rivals, in a game in which our own manager decided to mock our away fans, and we are all on here debating whether singing "you don't know what you're doing" counts as abuse or not.......the quicker this season ends the better!
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There are people with opinions that are glazed over even when the facts present themselves. I hand never known so many angles going to defend such a poor season and manager. We sacked mourinho, conte and poch for various reasons and some can contest too early … but with Ange it’s clear that he is managing in a very very poor fashion. The results and facts don’t lie but some still try to find angles to defend him or try to reason why it’s going so wrong … even with previous managers there was abuse and bias that was justified but cannot be the same with Ange.

He’s a busted flush and should have been flushed down the pan a long long time ago.

It seems like levy is trying to learn from previous mistakes the one time he is justified for pulling the trigger
 
Gazza said:
There are people with opinions that are glazed over even when the facts present themselves. I hand never known so many angles going to defend such a poor season and manager. We sacked mourinho, conte and poch for various reasons and some can contest too early … but with Ange it’s clear that he is managing in a very very poor fashion. The results and facts don’t lie but some still try to find angles to defend him or try to reason why it’s going so wrong … even with previous managers there was abuse and bias that was justified but cannot be the same with Ange.

He’s a busted flush and should have been flushed down the pan a long long time ago.

It seems like levy is trying to learn from previous mistakes the one time he is justified for pulling the trigger
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I get one guy feels an affinity towards him given the Aussie thing and going all in on him, but no one wanted him to fail, I am not saying he should go for banter, its clearly really really really bad, its not knee jerk after 20 losses in a season.

The others defending him just like to say how bad Spurs are as a club in 101 different ways, so Ange is being used as a tool for that
 
Finney Is Back said:
Not sure if I'm in the minority on here from my vantage point at the game last night I thought that Sarr was better in the period he was on the pitch than Bergwal was in the period he was on the pitch last night.
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I don't think there was much in it tbh, they were both certainly two of our better players.
It's not the sub I would made, but it's difficult to it made us worse.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I was there last night and it was toxic mate. Pretty much every other set of fans in the league gets behind their team, a big portion of our fans just get on the players or managers back. Our travelling support mostly consists of the same coked up idiots every game due to the loyalty point scheme. It is often notably different (better) in away Cup games when we get a bigger allocation or the game isn't a particularly attractive one.
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Interesting to hear your experience of last night. I was upper tier but close to the front, right behind the goal (next to the divide with the home fans) and it didn't feel so toxic. Some people joined in with the 'you don't know what you're doing' chant, but not that many. There were a few Levy Out chants which didn't really take off, at least where I was. I was also surprised not to hear more of it on the concourse, as has been the case at other grounds.
But it was obviously audible on the TV, as I had whats app messages about it, so I guess it depended on where you were in the ground.
I have to say - and I will no doubt be villified for this - but having been lucky enough to finally get to more away games over the last couple of seasons, I do think there is a bit of a myth built up around our away fans. Yes the vocal support is great, and I would never knock that, but there's also a lot of negativity, similar to at home. And a lot of it definitely narcotics-induced.
 
Finney Is Back said:
He did very well at Tottenham. I don't like the way that people try to rewrite history here.
22 PL games played, 42 points won = 1.91 points per game.
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He did well at first by simply not being the previous guy, as seen many times through history (most notably Roberto Martinez following Moyes at Everton). At first the players thrive under the new freedom, but over time everything that's been drilled into them disappear as the new guy doesn't actually have a clue and you're left with an absolute mess. Ange's first few months could easily fit into that category.
 
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