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Glenda's Legs said:
I might be misremembering but as I recall there was general outrage across all clubs’ fans but the main protests were understandably from fans of the clubs directly involved.
I am glad it didn’t come to fruition. But I do think we will see some variation of it in the future. At which point fans will have to make a choice about what’s best for the club vs what’s best for football generally. I’d like to be in the latter group but not sure I could do that if it was bad for the club not to be involved. A bit of a moral dilemma.

Edit - if we are in contention at the time of course.
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As much as most of us like to think we are morally correct, there are very few that follow through with such idealistic views regarding football.

The amount of times over the years I've heard 'I'm done with football' after the creation of the Premier League/Super League/Foreign ownership/VAR (insert latest update here), yet almost everyone continues to participate - its a drug, I don't know what the pinch point would be but as a collective and to date no matter how unhappy fan bases are they end up just 'going with the times' and it will be no different if/when some resemblence of a Super League goes ahead.....
 
harr1984 said:
As much as most of us like to think we are morally correct, there are very few that follow through with such idealistic views regarding football.

The amount of times over the years I've heard 'I'm done with football' after the creation of the Premier League/Super League/Foreign ownership/VAR (insert latest update here), yet almost everyone continues to participate - its a drug, I don't know what the pinch point would be but as a collective and to date no matter how unhappy fan bases are they end up just 'going with the times' and it will be no different if/when some resemblence of a Super League goes ahead.....
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Personally, I think you have to look at what is running a lot deeper in football right now. FIFA are not happy that UEFA are getting the financial rewards from looking after the biggest continent. UEFA are certainly not happy with England's position in this power model because of our Premier League. That's why they will negotiate centrally with the broadcasting companies and only pass 55% of the monies back to the clubs. Then they have an average UEFA wage of 150k Euro's. UEFA know that FIFA are trying to take over the club model and move away from their international football focus. At the same time FIFA are doing unnatural acts like coming up with their own fake carbon reduction models for a Qatar WC, whilst giving the next one to Saudi. They are running amok.

Back to the Superleague, what actually happened was a massive win for the clubs. The European Court of Justice overruled both FIFA and UEFA in their determination in banning clubs from joining a European league. The ECJ said that was illegal and quashed all actions against the clubs. It was a shot across the bows of UEFA and FIFA who have been overstepping their marks as governance bodies.

What we may see in the future is a bifurcation of these bodies like we've seen in boxing. If the top 10 European clubs turned around to the broadcasting companies and told them in no uncertain terms that they cannot negotiate centrally on their behalf, the war re-opens. At that point we might see a FIFA and a WWFA. We might also see an equivalent body to a UEFA running parallel European activities.

I do love your point that there is always something compelling about football though. I hope that applies to the younger generations though. It certainly applies to people my age. It is a drug to us.
 
Muttley said:
Personally, I think you have to look at what is running a lot deeper in football right now. FIFA are not happy that UEFA are getting the financial rewards from looking after the biggest continent. UEFA are certainly not happy with England's position in this power model because of our Premier League. That's why they will negotiate centrally with the broadcasting companies and only pass 55% of the monies back to the clubs. Then they have an average UEFA wage of 150k Euro's. UEFA know that FIFA are trying to take over the club model and move away from their international football focus. At the same time FIFA are doing unnatural acts like coming up with their own fake carbon reduction models for a Qatar WC, whilst giving the next one to Saudi. They are running amok.

Back to the Superleague, what actually happened was a massive win for the clubs. The European Court of Justice overruled both FIFA and UEFA in their determination in banning clubs from joining a European league. The ECJ said that was illegal and quashed all actions against the clubs. It was a shot across the bows of UEFA and FIFA who have been overstepping their marks as governance bodies.

What we may see in the future is a bifurcation of these bodies like we've seen in boxing. If the top 10 European clubs turned around to the broadcasting companies and told them in no uncertain terms that they cannot negotiate centrally on their behalf, the war re-opens. At that point we might see a FIFA and a WWFA. We might also see an equivalent body to a UEFA running parallel European activities.

I do love your point that there is always something compelling about football though. I hope that applies to the younger generations though. It certainly applies to people my age. It is a drug to us.
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Thanks for the reply - there's a lot there I didn't know/hadn't considered there....
 
Lemonade Money said:
I think you just need to get your head around the fact that it's one big bent money making pantomime. You will ultimately always be disappointed if not. The only thing that is real, is a players skill to produce something amazing - everything else is manufactured, bought, influenced, and means little.
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Football is 22 guys or gals, a football, 2 goalposts (or jumpers) and if you're lucky a referee and some white markings.

That is the product, even though companies like Sky have long since forgotten. Even the referees don't want to play their part anymore and just break the entire system by ignoring the laws.
 
Lemonade Money said:
I think you just need to get your head around the fact that it's one big bent money making pantomime. You will ultimately always be disappointed if not. The only thing that is real, is a players skill to produce something amazing - everything else is manufactured, bought, influenced, and means little.
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Indeed,
 
I think there are two levels to it all, not wanting a murderous owner like Roman stands up in and out of football IMO, I think many of decent moral standing would question who they associate with in life and that would be the same thing here (if that makes sense)

Being realistic, if the Super league came along and was a closed shop AND Spurs were not a part of it, I am not sure its about Morals suggesting it would be smarter for us to be in than out OR suggesting that fans in general would be upset over a period of time being out of that set up.

I would lay good money that had the SL gone ahead and was a closed shop, those fans campaigning about being involved would soon be crying about not being in it.
 
SpurMeUp said:
It's amusing how the people with the money don’t share your perspective. They see Levy as invaluable. 😂 In your view, this guy is holding us back, yet the billionaires consider him an asset. The irony runs deeper: the person who set this up and put the club in a position to attract such investors is the same one you constantly criticise. At times, it seems like you're more invested in "levy out" than in Spurs football team winning.
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You realise the billionaires cre bout the money being made not the competitions being won. Levy does well on the financial matter and that's all they would care about.
 
Bishop said:
You realise the billionaires cre bout the money being made not the competitions being won. Levy does well on the financial matter and that's all they would care about.
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I would agree with most owners position, but virtually all fans want to see their clubs signing players every window and that takes money. Who would be happy to see any owner say we will not be signing players for the next 5 years as we aim to build a team through our youth system. United who had a big advantage over most other clubs in terms of cash and world standing have spent a fortune and have had little success. Levy has been criticised for not getting the right manager but most fans were happy to get Conte and Mourinho and I don't remember a great deal of enthusiasm when we signed Poch and there was little support for Santo.
Levy's made mistakes but it could have been worse, there's no quick, simple guaranteed of success if ownership changes. I would like us to have a plan with defined goals and timescale rather than the merry go round we have been on.
 
ENIC are building a hospital at the training centre. Plans approved, all moving ever onwards.

About time too
 
Muttley said:
Football is 22 guys or gals, a football, 2 goalposts (or jumpers) and if you're lucky a referee and some white markings.

That is the product, even though companies like Sky have long since forgotten. Even the referees don't want to play their part anymore and just break the entire system by ignoring the laws.
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It’s so much more than that now.

Kids barely watch the games anymore, they are more interested in big transfers and (what was) FIFA.

My son binges football content constantly, but only watches a full game when we are in the stadium.

All of the extra that is around it, a lot of people love that, because it’s going on all day every day, not just a Wednesday night and Sunday afternoon.
 
Baleforce said:
It’s so much more than that now.

Kids barely watch the games anymore, they are more interested in big transfers and (what was) FIFA.

My son binges football content constantly, but only watches a full game when we are in the stadium.

All of the extra that is around it, a lot of people love that, because it’s going on all day every day, not just a Wednesday night and Sunday afternoon.
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Your right about youngsters, my grandson keeps me updated on football as I don't do internet football sites apart from here and OS, my grandson only watches us or CL on media and only goes to home games if they don't clash with his games.
 
SpurMeUp said:
You don’t want them to?
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I want a bolder chairman, if you've ever read my posts you would see I don't have a problem with the amounts spent by ENIC, I have a problem with the decision making and the timing of those decisions which has led to inertia whenever a step has needed to be taken. I think a different chairman with football nous can and would have done a better job on the football side with the same funding.

As I'm forever responding to ppl who make the binary claim that it's Levy or a dodgy billionaire, that isn't my complaint.
 
Bishop said:
I want a bolder chairman, if you've ever read my posts you would see I don't have a problem with the amounts spent by ENIC, I have a problem with the decision making and the timing of those decisions which has led to inertia whenever a step has needed to be taken. I think a different chairman with football nous can and would have done a better job on the football side with the same funding.

As I'm forever responding to ppl who make the binary claim that it's Levy or a dodgy billionaire, that isn't my complaint.
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how are you measuring football nous and can you give examples of current chairmen who you think have it?
 
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