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Rorschach said:
Agree.

Thrashing Kane for not having the same influence as Messi is a bit misguided. If England were camped on the edge of the Argentinian box for 88% of the time, Kane would have had more influence, no doubt. Messi is hardly an uber presser, but doesn't have to be; he has the water carriers around him to give him the platform to do his magic. If England had given a similar platform to Kane he would pull the strings and score as he always does. Going to a 9 at the back all within the box was folly.
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In a vacuum it may seem unfair to single out Kane. I blame Tuchel primarily. But Kane has had a series of no shows in semis and finals for England. Also accept that Messi has his nightclub bouncers around him to do the dirty work. But Kane is good enough and influential enough to have more of an impact on these games than he has done.
 
Bishop said:
Is someone trying to compare Messi to Kane? I like Kane as much as the next bloke but Kane has never excelled in that singular moment when everything is on the line. Sometimes with genuine reasons like not being fit for the CL final but him and Messi are incomparable in terms of influence or impact, even at 39 years old. The gulf in class is still super evident.
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Ironically the big games often used to pass Messi by too, for Argentina anyway. For example he was largely ineffective in the 2014 World Cup final and looked almost disinterested. I think the 2016 loss in the Copa America lit a fire under him and the Argentina fans realised they’d gone to far in criticising him, hence the grovelling for him to come out retirement of international football.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Not sure what the opportunities are you referring to
I mean no shots on target says a lot
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He created opportunities in the second half. Cant remember who but one of their players missed a header. There was another one that he created that was headed back across goal that John Stones cleared to safety. I know you like Kane, I do too. And I know we want to be protective of him as a former Spurs player, but can you honestly say he’s influenced the last few semis and finals for England beyond scoring penalties?
 
Jurgen the German said:
In a vacuum it may seem unfair to single out Kane. I blame Tuchel primarily. But Kane has had a series of no shows in semis and finals for England. Also accept that Messi has his nightclub bouncers around him to do the dirty work. But Kane is good enough and influential enough to have more of an impact on these games than he has done.
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Not with 7% team posession after the goal. Messi couldn't and wouldnt have influence with those tactics
 
Anyone want to predict what the squad would look like in 4 years time? Other than Bellingham I cant think of anyone that is 100% guaranteed to be there.
 
dingdongo said:
Anyone want to predict what the squad would look like in 4 years time? Other than Bellingham I cant think of anyone that is 100% guaranteed to be there.
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Apparently there are something like 3 English PL players who will be under 30 and have played PL football and one of them is Dane Scarlett, not sure if thats true or not but I suspect the futures not too bright
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Not with 7% team posession after the goal. Messi couldn't and wouldnt have influence with those tactics
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Isn't that partly on the team as well for not keeping possession of the ball?

I'll ask you the same question I asked Bedford: do you think Kane has done enough in England's semi-finals and finals throughout his career?

Football is a team game, so I don't expect him to do it all on his own. But when you're regarded as arguably the best striker in the world, I'd expect more output than he's produced in those biggest moments. For me, he hasn't consistently delivered in the crunch games for England.
 
glasgowspur said:
It's easy to blame tuchel and he undoubtedly deserves criticism, but this has become a theme with England regardless of the manager.
There's no lack of talent in England, but that certain attitude or mind set that is needed to force your way over the line is missing.
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Yes, and if he had taken players like Cole Palmer who have little regard for history and a keen sense of, err, self, then you can write different scripts.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Isn't that partly on the team as well for not keeping possession of the ball?
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Thats the point
Jurgen the German said:
I'll ask you the same question I asked Bedford: do you think Kane has done enough in England's semi-finals and finals throughout his career?

Football is a team game, so I don't expect him to do it all on his own. But when you're regarded as arguably the best striker in the world, I'd expect more output than he's produced in those biggest moments. For me, he hasn't consistently delivered in the crunch games for England.
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Well firstly its largely on his shoulders that we have made so many business ends of competitions, that needs to be acknowledged.

I think by and large he has done well in big games, the argument will be that goals are his commodity and in that respect he has been below his standard, but I also think if we are being fair our tactics in big games have played against him, the grab a goal and lock up shop, hoping he pulls something out the bag, thats partly Roy of the Rovers expectations.

Yesterday was so negative, the tactics stunk the place out, as they did under Southgate when on the verge of soemthing good. Thats not on Kane
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Apparently there are something like 3 English PL players who will be under 30 and have played PL football and one of them is Dane Scarlett, not sure if thats true or not but I suspect the futures not too bright
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I asked Google AI to predict England's 2030 World Cup squad.

GK: Trafford, Henderson, Anthony Patterson
DEF: Rico Lewis, Colwill, Guehi, Quansah, TAA, Lewis Hall, Konsa, Harry Amass
MF: Jude, Rice, Mainoo, Wharton, Gray, Palmer, Rogers
FWD: Saka, Foden, Gordon, MGW, Watkins, Delap, Kane

The 3 English players under 30 is for strikers. The strikers coming up are not looking great right now.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Apparently there are something like 3 English PL players who will be under 30 and have played PL football and one of them is Dane Scarlett, not sure if thats true or not but I suspect the futures not too bright
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That kinda sounds like it must be wrong Marty. Shirley?

Besides which in 4 years it'll just be the greatest footballer in the history of football, Max Dowman, and 10 shirts.
 
Seedy Ron said:
That kinda sounds like it must be wrong Marty. Shirley?

Besides which in 4 years it'll just be the greatest footballer in the history of football, Max Dowman, and 10 shirts.
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Yeh TBH I only quickly saw something and its likely shoite, will see if I can find it

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Bishop said:
England having a potential counter doesn't mean that Argentina weren't awake, that counter comes about exactly because Argentina started pushing high and trying to squeeze England into their box. Tbh this was happening even before the goal as that what the goal came from, it was a counter against the high line Argentina had decided to use in the 2nd half. That goal was scored in the manner you would expect England to do well in. Let's recall England 0 chances before the actual goal and virtually no moments in Argentina's box.

I don't have the stats but the 2nd half up to the goal was largely Argentina in possession, after the goal they just upped their focus. Getting squeezed by them is no disgrace and it wasn't a choice. The choice part is with the subs he made, rather than trying to asset some control in the middle he accepted they would have all of the ball. Quite possibly it's because Tuchel recognised that Argentina were already begining to dominate the midfield and having lost Rice he didn't believe England could compete in that area. That's where I think criticism of him is fair, he did not attempt to play on the counters he didn't make Argentina have to 2nd guess if they could push all the way up.
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We are at the stage where I am not sure what we are debating or agreeing/disagreeing about.
I 'think' we're essentially saying the same thing about the game state.

Maybe where we're differing is that I believe Tuchel has ample opportunities to fortify or at least semi-invigorate what we we were doing. We did not have to get squeezed by Argentina, we simply needed to play higher up the pitch and be aggressive on the counter, in fact the conditions were perfect especialy after the goal. BTW, for all the brick Kane gets, it was his dropping in and turning to play that ball which cause the issues, and Rice was able to pick up the second ball (I think his injury was massive last night as he simply could not do that more often). We dropped right off, and allowed it to happen. Maybe the yellow on Anderson and Rice being injured were the main issues? If so, bring Mainoo on (not ideal but a box-to-box midfielder who might help you keep the ball). Tuchel froze in a moment where I think he should be standing tall and showing tactical nous; instead he thought he could Azteca it.
I do give Argentina full credit too; they sniffed the weakness/anxiety and attacked it like a pack of hangry hyenas (complete with cackles!!!!)...
 
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