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Paul Walsh
I don't think ANY of those incidents are reds, not just Messi's.If you don't believe Messi's challenge vs Algeria wasn't reckless or as deserving of a red as much as others then i think i'll leave it there
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I don't think ANY of those incidents are reds, not just Messi's.If you don't believe Messi's challenge vs Algeria wasn't reckless or as deserving of a red as much as others then i think i'll leave it there
No one had any shots on target before England scored.They had no shots on target before England scored
Think that's fair. I know it's an age old argument but it still stands today IMO. England had Rice and Anderson in the middle of the park. They are excellent players but not lads you'd rely on controlling a game of football. That's not what they do IMO. But England, as long as I've been watching football, never really trusted players like that on the rare occasions you've had them. Look at how the likes of Hoddle, Carrick, Scholes and Wheelchair did at international level.England fans are understandably emotional today. Turning on Tuchel is a therapy of sorts right now. In the end, they are the 4th best team in the world and will finish 3rd or 4th. Tuchel was just average, like most of their players all tournament.
I do not know anyone that was not an England fan that expected them to win the World Cup. They are a great team but not better than Spain, Argentina or France when it matters.
Tuchel went defensive too early but the players were not creating anything after their goal and before going defensive. Bellingham did not even show up and Kane was a walking waste for 80 minutes unfortunately.
IMO, Argentina win no matter what Tuchel did at the end. They have shown they find ways to come back every game in the end and England looked dead on their feet from the 75'.
Think that's fair. I know it's an age old argument but it still stands today IMO. England had Rice and Anderson in the middle of the park. They are excellent players but not lads you'd rely on controlling a game of football. That's not what they do IMO. But England, as long as I've been watching football, never really trusted players like that on the rare occasions you've had them. Look at how the likes of Hoddle, Carrick, Scholes and Wheelchair did at international level.
Had it been the other way around, I don't think England would have been intelligent enough and technically good enough to pull Argentina apart like they did to you. With lads like Kane and Bellingham, you'd always have a chance of scoring but you'd never be able to do what Argentina did.
You have to caveat that slightly by acknowledging that managers are rarely at PSG and Chelsea long.Apparently, nobody picked up on that, but, while at PSG, Tuchel had a reputation for his lax match preparations and video analysis, preferring to trust his 'instincts'. I'm biased because I never rated him in the first place. He struck gold while at Mainz and, from there, he only worked for big clubs, never staying too long in the same place.
I find the above rumor credible because my gut feeling is, he's got a decent system on paper but, unlike a lot of top managers, results tend to nose-dive the longer he stays, which would indicate that the theory is sound but he either can't or won't put up the necessary work to adapt to the opposition/circumstances. Of course, it's just my intuition, and certainly not a FACT - as people used to type all the time on message boards twenty years ago.
I think the same. The football in England needs to change from top to bottom. I love Spurs and will always watch them but when it comes to watching non-Spurs games, these last few years I'm picking Germany, Eredivisie, Spain or even Scotland and Italy as games more exciting to watch.Our footballing culture here is screwed IMO especially at international level. We reward and applaud safety and then people moan and groan when someone tries something different, thats the basis of why IMO we are where we are. We love the idea of mavericks and winners but we don't have the bottle for it (see Romero) and then we try and use all number of money and manager changes at national level to clone what others are doing, but without any success because guess what, we are not really when all said and done a really successful footballing national side. Other teams have bad times, but they know how to get over the line (see Italy recently) and we just don't have that, we keep trying to recreate it in the averages but for me there is no clear footballing identity, other than huff and puff and try hard. The same can now be said for the national game, the worst PL in decades where there is likely more applause for a header back to the keeper from the CBs than there is for a winger who tries something. Long throws and corners..........great
Yeah it was a World Cup recordNo one had any shots on target before England scored.
I can't quite recall but I think there might have been 0 shots period before England scored.![]()
One of these kids is not like the other.....Think that's fair. I know it's an age old argument but it still stands today IMO. England had Rice and Anderson in the middle of the park. They are excellent players but not lads you'd rely on controlling a game of football. That's not what they do IMO. But England, as long as I've been watching football, never really trusted players like that on the rare occasions you've had them. Look at how the likes of Hoddle, Carrick, Scholes and Wheelchair did at international level.
Had it been the other way around, I don't think England would have been intelligent enough and technically good enough to pull Argentina apart like they did to you. With lads like Kane and Bellingham, you'd always have a chance of scoring but you'd never be able to do what Argentina did.
Fair enough, and I'm open about the fact that I don't like him. He would certainly argue he's been a winner everywhere he went, but the fact remains that he's been described as difficult to work with by a lot of people and those who were enthusiastic about his work ethics when he signed for PSG were left disappointed.You have to caveat that slightly by acknowledging that managers are rarely at PSG and Chelsea long.
Messi wasn’t impacting the game until Tuchel made the tactical changes
Just saying ….
Yeah, he's the odd one out in terms of what he achieved in his career mainly due to the way he looked after himself. And he was a clam. But I honestly thought he was a smashing footballer unlike most midfielders that England produce.One of these kids is not like the other.....
You’re comparing him with literally the best player of all time.
You’ll also find that Argentina are setup for Messi to do whatever he likes. England don’t do that for Kane.
Was someone claiming Messi was firing off shots before the goal?Yeah it was a World Cup record
But it doesn’t mean Messi was doing anything of note
Is someone trying to compare Messi to Kane? I like Kane as much as the next bloke but Kane has never excelled in that singular moment when everything is on the line. Sometimes with genuine reasons like not being fit for the CL final but him and Messi are incomparable in terms of influence or impact, even at 39 years old. The gulf in class is still super evident.He was influential in his dribbling and range of passing. He created 2-3 good opportunities before they even scored. And he’s carried them before in numerous tournaments, including semis and finals. I’m expecting anyone to do it in every game, but it would be nice if Kane did it just once in a semi or a final for England.
To be fair, I'm not sure how many can compare to Messi. For me, at his peak, he was better than anyone who has ever played the game. I get that some people will disagree with that. However, what's more remarkable is his longevity. I've never seen any player be truly great for as long as he has. It's insane.Is someone trying to compare Messi to Kane? I like Kane as much as the next bloke but Kane has never excelled in that singular moment when everything is on the line. Sometimes with genuine reasons like not being fit for the CL final but him and Messi are incomparable in terms of influence or impact, even at 39 years old. The old in class is still super evident.
There's something about Kane's game that makes him both super deadly against the majority but not particularly effective against the very, very best and those career defining moments tend to be when faced up against the very best.Other top players step up big moments, not just Messi. I mentioned Drogba who always turned up in finals. Mbappe has dragged France to penalty shootouts when there were on the verge of crashing out. He’s compared to Mbappe, Lewandowski and Haaland, it’s fair to expect him to influence the big games at the very least.
Itv 9 minutes highlight video had one action from the first half. Don't think I've ever seen that before.No one had any shots on target before England scored.
I can't quite recall but I think there might have been 0 shots period before England scored.![]()
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