Coventry was awful, but the performance usually is for any team who makes that number of changes, not just us - the best you can hope for is a result....
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Bedfordspurs
Les Bennett
And the result is what can change things
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Wednesday could easily be down to the amount of changes. That said, you'd still hope the performance wouldn't be so stale, as everyone starting you'd want to be counting on this season.
We live to fight another day in that competition unlike the comparable game vs Fulham last season (probably because it didn't end up with Forster and penalties
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I think the decision making in the final third is the difference between being a top team and challenging for top 4-6. Im willing to give Ange this season at the very least as long as we’re not near the relegation zone. The forwards I’m a little less patient with and would like to see us go into the market in January, I’m not including Solanke as I appreciate he’s been here 5 minutes. I actually think Ange is getting a bit of a raw deal from the media, they’ve really latched onto his “I always win things in year 2” comments. I’d also like to see us not concede so many sloppy goals, particularly from set pieces. Ange kind of made a rod for his own back with his comments earlier in the year about set prices not being that important but now he says “everyone acts like I don’t care about set pieces”. Well perhaps don’t say that then
Bedfordspurs
Les Bennett
Fulham last year was a round earlier so we are two rounds betterWednesday could easily be down to the amount of changes. That said, you'd still hope the performance wouldn't be so stale, as everyone starting you'd want to be counting on this season.
We live to fight another day in that competition unlike the comparable game vs Fulham last season (probably because it didn't end up with Forster and penalties
Not going to argue with any of that, my only point was that I think the performances have been at worst ok, with room for improvement in my opinion. Not quite the doomsday scenarios some have been posting on here, and are nowhere near the stage of looking at whether we should be changing managers AGAIN. I'm sure when he was appointed most comments was about would like to see him develop a team long term and acknowledged it could well be a bumpy ride - but when it comes to the crunch, can't seem to handle it.....I think the decision making in the final third is the difference between being a top team and challenging for top 4-6. Im willing to give Ange this season at the very least as long as we’re not near the relegation zone. The forwards I’m a little less patient with and would like to see us go into the market in January, I’m not including Solanke as I appreciate he’s been here 5 minutes. I actually think Ange is getting a bit of a raw deal from the media, they’ve really latched onto his “I always win things in year 2” comments. I’d also like to see us not concede so many sloppy goals, particularly from set pieces. Ange kind of made a rod for his own back with his comments earlier in the year about set prices not being that important but now he says “everyone acts like I don’t care about set pieces”. Well perhaps don’t say that then
Muttley
Paul Moran
I'm still the same with Ange. We have to give him enough time to succeed or fail, and if he does the latter it will be down to his own choices.
What I think we're seeing now is that little more consistency versus last season. That is to be expected in the second season. If we lose games, it needs to be by the odd goal and hopefully where we've given a good account of ourselves. Like the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game, it might be where we were actually the better team. Like Arsenal, where we're playing one of the true quality teams in the division. Every time we have an Everton or Brentford result, confidence builds.
I think what we're also seeing is a little compromise and adjustment from Ange. It seems to take a while with him, even too long. We're perhaps now seeing, for the first time, the full-backs playing more like full-backs. Like a few teams we have a wider one, Udogie, and we have the more classier narrower one in Porro. We also saw against Brentford a player like Bentancur finally playing like a number 6. He can be a Rolls Royce in that position.
Some of the bad stuff is explainable, like the Coventry performance with mass changes to the starting eleven. The less explainable periods are like we saw at Leicester. It will be interesting to see whether they become less and less, or whether the fixture pile-up means that they still there. I guess we find out very quickly.
What I think we're seeing now is that little more consistency versus last season. That is to be expected in the second season. If we lose games, it needs to be by the odd goal and hopefully where we've given a good account of ourselves. Like the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game, it might be where we were actually the better team. Like Arsenal, where we're playing one of the true quality teams in the division. Every time we have an Everton or Brentford result, confidence builds.
I think what we're also seeing is a little compromise and adjustment from Ange. It seems to take a while with him, even too long. We're perhaps now seeing, for the first time, the full-backs playing more like full-backs. Like a few teams we have a wider one, Udogie, and we have the more classier narrower one in Porro. We also saw against Brentford a player like Bentancur finally playing like a number 6. He can be a Rolls Royce in that position.
Some of the bad stuff is explainable, like the Coventry performance with mass changes to the starting eleven. The less explainable periods are like we saw at Leicester. It will be interesting to see whether they become less and less, or whether the fixture pile-up means that they still there. I guess we find out very quickly.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
I agree with you strongly on the decision making.I think the decision making in the final third is the difference between being a top team and challenging for top 4-6. Im willing to give Ange this season at the very least as long as we’re not near the relegation zone. The forwards I’m a little less patient with and would like to see us go into the market in January, I’m not including Solanke as I appreciate he’s been here 5 minutes. I actually think Ange is getting a bit of a raw deal from the media, they’ve really latched onto his “I always win things in year 2” comments. I’d also like to see us not concede so many sloppy goals, particularly from set pieces. Ange kind of made a rod for his own back with his comments earlier in the year about set prices not being that important but now he says “everyone acts like I don’t care about set pieces”. Well perhaps don’t say that then
Bedfordspurs
Les Bennett
He didn’t say set pieces weren’t importantI think the decision making in the final third is the difference between being a top team and challenging for top 4-6. Im willing to give Ange this season at the very least as long as we’re not near the relegation zone. The forwards I’m a little less patient with and would like to see us go into the market in January, I’m not including Solanke as I appreciate he’s been here 5 minutes. I actually think Ange is getting a bit of a raw deal from the media, they’ve really latched onto his “I always win things in year 2” comments. I’d also like to see us not concede so many sloppy goals, particularly from set pieces. Ange kind of made a rod for his own back with his comments earlier in the year about set prices not being that important but now he says “everyone acts like I don’t care about set pieces”. Well perhaps don’t say that then
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Wasnt that a media hatchet job though?I think the decision making in the final third is the difference between being a top team and challenging for top 4-6. Im willing to give Ange this season at the very least as long as we’re not near the relegation zone. The forwards I’m a little less patient with and would like to see us go into the market in January, I’m not including Solanke as I appreciate he’s been here 5 minutes. I actually think Ange is getting a bit of a raw deal from the media, they’ve really latched onto his “I always win things in year 2” comments. I’d also like to see us not concede so many sloppy goals, particularly from set pieces. Ange kind of made a rod for his own back with his comments earlier in the year about set prices not being that important but now he says “everyone acts like I don’t care about set pieces”. Well perhaps don’t say that then
I saw the interview when he said they were important but not as important as other issues he was trying to fix.
If thats the case there is a stark difference and TBF we have improved massively on Set Plays, maybe because Solanke presence but still
Isn't the new coach that came in the summer meant to be working on them?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
In the context of us conceding more than nearly every team in the league, the comments were quite dismissive along the lines of “we don’t need to practice them any more than we would any other aspect of the game”. Considering a lot of the goals we conceded were from set pieces it was rather alarming to hear him say that. He also said “I’m not that interested in it, I never have been”.
Yep.
As usual if you ignore the narrative being pushed by whichever article it is that you're reading and focus purely on the quotes it tells a different story.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
They will be back after the next defeat, you can bet on it.
Bedfordspurs
Les Bennett
Yep
IIRC it was a manipulation of what he said for headlines
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Ange is a victim of being blunt. I know from personal experience at home and work. I want to express some deeper thought, but due to some combination of brevity and trying to be humorous and brain freeze I just truncate it poorly and my mouth has said it before I realise...
He should say the super bland "We are working on all aspects of defence and all aspects of attack, they are all important" but because he's a bit miffed in that millisecond he says "I'm not interested in blah blah blah" or "we don't need to practice them more than blah blah blah" and the headline writers eyes light up as they only hear/head/need the first few words.
He should say the super bland "We are working on all aspects of defence and all aspects of attack, they are all important" but because he's a bit miffed in that millisecond he says "I'm not interested in blah blah blah" or "we don't need to practice them more than blah blah blah" and the headline writers eyes light up as they only hear/head/need the first few words.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Yeah, Ange said he doesn't need a SPECIALIST set piece coach because he has 4 or 5 coaches and various of them work on various aspects INCLUDING set pieces so perhaps last year e.g. Jedinak (and a bit of Matt Wells) did defensive set pieces and Mason did attacking (or whatever, I don't recall perfectly) and this year the new coaches e.g. Montgomery are taking on some of that too/instead but it is just a part of all roles, it isn't 1 coach who does that 1 thing.
Bishop
Steve Carr
I dunno if it's really comparable. United are dogbrick and Liverpool were the better team with better chances even with 10 men. Not exactly signature wins imo.
Bishop
Steve Carr
One thing I wonder with the coaching setup is that as Ange doesn't bring his own coaches with him he's having to teach the new hires his methods and hope that they themselves grasp them properly and are able to implement correctly. He's putting a lot of trust on people he doesn't have any prior experience of.
It's obviously worked for him in the past but I do wonder if it's the best way to get his messaging and methods across?
Bullet
Andy Thompson
I think good coaches can take it on fairly quickly and apply his specific requirements. Often they have been a manager as well as a coach, so they are talented and can adapt.
From football.london
The training sessions are more layered with tactical information with the football foundations now laid. This is a different Tottenham team to the one that ended the last campaign and the results just haven't matched the displays thanks to poor finishing, which will change as Postecoglou gets his strikers back and sharp.
For the Australian, it's all about shutting out the external noise and focusing on the process.
"Firstly, you can say, well if we lost the other night we would have been in crisis, but if we won our first game, I’d probably be sitting here and people would have been saying 'can you win a title this year', and both of them are just not the reality of my world," he said on Friday. "I have always been pretty good at staying clear-eyed and focused about what is important.
"To me, in terms of what I’m trying to build, I think the external noise, whether it’s valid or not, I just find it’s a massive distraction to what you’re trying to do. I learned along the way, in both ways, whether things are going well or not going well, not to let that external noise distract me from what I believe needs to be done.
"Many parts of my life, I’m not very disciplined, especially around eating, but when it comes to football I’m really disciplined. Nothing will take me away from what I think needs to be done. I don’t really care … not care … but I won’t let it enter my space."
He added: "I ignore the tide and just keep swimming. Others may feel that way and if they do, there’s nothing wrong with that. You need to embrace the struggle. You don’t get success just by everything rolling out perfectly. There are times when you’ve just got to roll your sleeves up and keep going.
"Whether that’s swimming against the tide, running up the hill, going against the wind, you can use whatever metaphor you want, that’s great, that’s what you need. But I ignore it because I don’t think that’s going to help me in any way. What’s the best process for me is to stay steely-eyed focused on what I think I need to do to get us to where we want to.
"It’s all the same. It’s been a constant in my career, but I don’t think I’m in a unique space. I keep saying to people, show me a success story and I’ll show you a struggle. It’s not something that’s unique to me, it’s universal. People forget the struggle and look at the end bit, but you need to go through that.
"That’s the time that tests your resolve, tests your belief, tests everything you want to do. This is no different to anything else I’ve ever done. It’s exactly the same process."