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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

I don't hate Liverpool because of Hillsborough or Heysel. I hate them because the vast majority of them are deluded clams with a victim mentality living on their past. It is that simple.
 
papaspur said:
But wouldn't you think those types of fixtures require more from the players, thus having a whole string of them might batter our players more? Playing against weaker sides usually means we can rest a few starters if they need it.
I do agree with the overall sentiment that it shouldn't really matter when the fixture occurs, except when you factor injuries and all that, but ultimately that's out of our hands.
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They take more effort (in theory), but that doesnt mean they are any less difficult. In fact, these games are usually played at a slower pace, like a thinking mans game, with less huff and puff, and kicks to the shins. So in terms of energy, I actually think its less tiring than playing 5 teams fighting relegation in a row.

Its a tough run, no doubt, but we are not at any kind of disadvantage.
 
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billyiddo said:
you're wrong - the order in which fixtures are played can have a massive effect on the results you could pick up, for example :

Manchester United A
Wigan H
Arsenal H
Stoke A

playing these games in that order means you will not have the same preparation/focus for each if you were to play them say Arsenal, Wigan Stoke Man Utd

hard to explain exactly what i mean, but the order in which you play your fixtures does change the possible outcome (im sure someone could make the point much better than i have)
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How humble of you.

Are you saying that if we play arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and City within three weeks, we would pick up less points than if we played Blackpool, Wolves, West Ham and Wigan in a row?

:-k
 
thfcsteff said:
I know for a FACT that Chelsea went over to Heysel to fight Italians, a bleed-over from a particularly hostile Euro '80 which was in Italy. Furthermore, yes, Hillsborough nearly happened to us that day. I know. It was . Also nearly happened at the old Loftus Road earlier in that cup run...
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When it nearly happened to us twice, what stopped it? Did people stop pushing when they saw it was dangerous? Or was it just pot luck for us twice, and pure bad luck for them twice?
 
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Also, why did they turn up AGAIN, in tens of thousands for the CL Final WITHOUT tickets.....after stealing them off their own fans? Who's fault would that have been, had disaster struck for a third time?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jun/04/newsstory.sport13

This was what the Hillsborough Support group had to say:

we condemn the behaviour of some fans, BUT it was not helped by the way the police acted, they made it worse.

"Always the victims, its never your fault"
 
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Spursalot said:
There's just something about some of their faces...

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Can you really look at that picture and not want to punch him?
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To be fair, it looks like someone just has!
 
totman said:
Also, why did they turn up AGAIN, in tens of thousands for the CL Final WITHOUT tickets.....after stealing them off their own fans? Who's fault would that have been, had disaster struck for a third time?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jun/04/newsstory.sport13

This was what the Hillsborough Support group had to say:

we condemn the behaviour of some fans, BUT it was not helped by the way the police acted, they made it worse.

"Always the victims, its never your fault"
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This is my problem with them.

Hillsborough was a horrible thing to happen and their fans would have my sympathy if they could just stop aiming the blame cannon at anything not in a Liverpool shirt. The moment their fans admit that they were, at least in part, responsible for what happened then they can have my sympathy and respect.

Using the tragedy to publicly further their attempts at being the poor little downtrodden scouser is disgusting and shows a complete lack of respect for those who died and their families.
 
thfcsteff said:
I know for a FACT that Chelsea went over to Heysel to fight Italians, a bleed-over from a particularly hostile Euro '80 which was in Italy. Furthermore, yes, Hillsborough nearly happened to us that day. I know. It was . Also nearly happened at the old Loftus Road earlier in that cup run...
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...is there a new one

I was at Plough Lane the same day as Hillsborough (was that where you meant?) there was one hell of a crush in the away end... and yes, there was summit similar at QPR a few weeks later (advertising hoardings were being carried onto the pitch, but at the time I thought it was a bit of 'over-dramatics' by people who wanted to get on the telly!!)
 
Just paid a visit to RAWK, there are two or three sensible souls, but mostly are like:

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Droopy is going to be truly awful now, shame on the government for not
hiring better lawyers to make sure Redknapp got the rope.

Hope the taco gets the England job now.
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Well that's just 'triffic.

We should have insisted that they bring Suarez to court instead of
that kangaroo tribunal. The case wouldn't have been heard for a year,
and he would have been found not guilty.

Actually surprised that Mandaric got off. Cos we all know that 'Arry
is as 'Onest as the day is long.
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Harry is a hero down there, not to quite the same extent, but similar
to Ken Dodd up here.

Redknapp -v- the Taxman, especially when a lot of people have just
done there tax returns, there was only ever going to be one winner,
doesn't matter what the evidence was again as with Doddy. Famous
people don't get convicted for doing something many if not most of us
would probably do if we were in there situation.
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Welcome to the UK. If you're rich your laughing.
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I still dont believe him. All that crap about never sending a txt or
email. tinkle off. Everyone and their bank account opening dog knows how
to send a basic email or txt these days
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Can't we appeal?
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A disappointing week so far just got even more disappointing
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Guilty or not he's still a c*ntbucket.
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LiterallyJamie Not Jamie Redknapp
Up yours, The Man. After a short detour to pick some of Dad's Nazi
gold from his secret lock up, we're off to get literally brickfaced.
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Ha ha this country!
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Quote from: Dr Manhattan on Today at 11:49:48 AM
Every payment I get from now on is going in to the book as an
'investment'. I shall be 'investing' in drinking heavily, buying
clothes and pornography, and gambling.

No tax to pay for me from now on.

- Now the fatal floor in that approach is that you haven't got a dog
called Rosie
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Shame. Was looking forward to the implosion.

But all is not lost.

If anyone's gotten a text message from Harry, he can still be sent
down for perjury (insert evil devils thingy).
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Spurs could still be looking for a new manager by the end of the week.
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So, to be clear, if your boss pays money into an offshore account on a
number of occasions, totalling suspiciously similar amounts to those
you would have been entitled to be paid before your contract changed,
you name the account after your dog and year of birth, do not tell
your accountant about the account and lie to a newspaper reporter
about the account then a) the Judge should call you trustworthy and b)
you should be found not guilty of tax evasion.

That's a strange form of justice if you ask me.
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Here we go. The Sun, Talksport and SSN orgasm with joy simultaneously.
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Can't understand how they got off, if that had been a normal,
hardworking citizen, the jury would have ate them up, brick them out,
locked them up and thrown away the key.
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Obvious verdict is obvious.

What a joke.
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Redknapp not guilty. WTF!
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Whats with the delay, just hang the twitchy faced fudger.
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Pretty sure Guilty = Jailtime for a case like this, though I'd imagine
it would be a Open Prison.
 
Aw, lay off them... we'd have been doing the same if it were Wenger (in fact, we'd already tried and condemned the fudger of paedophilia before ANY case will ever brought against him!)

They're clearly worried that the 'implosion' they were banking on, may now not happen... it feels like a Victory for THFC today, so, by virtue of that, it should feel like a defeat for our rivals!

COYROSIE!!
 
I think I prefer to beat them on the football field and accumulate more points over a season than hoping for an implosion (though the fact that the Scum managed to implode so very frequently is very satisfying too)
 
jimmyb said:
Quite right, fella.

What happened at Hillsborough was entirely preventable. As you say, the authorities knew all about the potential danger after the near disaster that was our 1981 FA Cup semi final against Wolves. But nothing was done about it. The only reason why Spurs fans didn't die in great numbers that day is that, on that occasion (but not in 1989), the police realised what was happening and allowed Spurs fans to jump over the fencing and spill over on to the pitch.

So some of the Liverpool fans turned up late. Many of them had had a few pints. Some even tried to get in illegally.

You know what......that describes pretty much every football fan in the country back in the 80's (and still quite a few today). It could have been any of us - so let's not throw stones, eh?

There was a catalogue of errors by the authorities, starting with allocating the smaller end to the club with the far bigger fan base (as had also happened in 1981). It was all compounded by the refusal of the police to believe that what was going on was anything other than hooliganism. By the time they realised the truth, it was too late. In the aftermath, insult was added to injury as the authorities lied and covered up the truth of their incompetence for years.

As to Heysel, Liverpool supporters absolutely have to take their share of the blame.

But UEFA were also responsible. They chose an inadequate, old and decaying stadium for the biggest game of the year - despite both Liverpool and Juve officials begging them to hold the game elsewhere. They also, against Liverpool and Juve's wishes, introduced a neutral section next to the main section of Liverpool support. Tickets for that neutral section ended up mostly in the hands of Juve fans.

The Belgian police were wholly unprepared. They ignored the advice of British police and failed to segregate the fans properly. They were woefully undermanned.

The Juve fans in the neutral section started throwing missiles at the Liverpool fans half an hour or so before the game. Liverpool fans retaliated. The situation escalated until, finally, the Liverpool fans breached the inadequate segregation measures and charged. The Juve fans who had been every bit as responsible for starting the trouble as the Liverpool fans then turned and fled. And it was as a result of that that there was a big crush which led to a crumbly, old wall collapsing.
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You make some excellent points. However, many football matches, concerts and other events were held at that stadium without 39 people dying. Not saying what happened at Heysel is entirely their fault, but they have to shoulder at least some of the blame. It's been pointed out that ALL English clubs were banned from Europe for a number of years. From what I've heard from Everton fans, that's one of the main reasons that they hate Liverpool. Everton won the league that season but couldn't enter the European Cup as they were banned.
 
Everton won the league in 87 as well, so they missed out twice. Must have been really annoying for teams like Wimbledon and Coventry who won the cup in those periods, the first ever trophies in their histories, but had to miss out on the reward of European football in the following season.
 
EJG said:
Everton won the league in 87 as well, so they missed out twice. Must have been really annoying for teams like Wimbledon and Coventry who won the cup in those periods, the first ever trophies in their histories, but had to miss out on the reward of European football in the following season.
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hehe, it's thier own faults, they should have won those trophies in some other seasons.
 
Jurgen the German said:
You make some excellent points. However, many football matches, concerts and other events were held at that stadium without 39 people dying. Not saying what happened at Heysel is entirely their fault, but they have to shoulder at least some of the blame. It's been pointed out that ALL English clubs were banned from Europe for a number of years. From what I've heard from Everton fans, that's one of the main reasons that they hate Liverpool. Everton won the league that season but couldn't enter the European Cup as they were banned.
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As I said, Liverpool fans absolutely have to take their share of the blame for the events at Heysel.

As to Everton and every other English club suffering - the thing is, they weren't innocents either. Causing trouble and fighting wherever they went was the English way back then. Any set of fans could have been responsible for a disaster. It just happened to be Liverpool - not entirely unsurprisingly, since they obviously played many more European games than any other English club.
 
It happened to Liverpool, yet it took them 20 years to say sorry. And the only reason for that, was because they got Juve in the CL, and wanted the world to see yet another emotional tossfest at Anfield
 
My heart bleeds for the teams who missed out on European football because of the tragedy. Those poor dears!
 
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