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Inevitable wasn't it?

Failed as a manager
Failed as a coach

He decent player as he had so many qualities.... but I refuse to think of him as a great due to his criminal behaviour. Should have been jailed for his assault on Haaland.

Hoping we don't hear from him again for a very very long time.
 
Failed as a manager
Failed as a coach

He decent player as he had so many qualities.... but I refuse to think of him as a great due to his criminal behaviour. Should have been jailed for his assault on Haaland.

Hoping we don't hear from him again for a very very long time.

He was an absolutely brilliant player and the exact player that we have lacked for years. The sort of player who wins you titles because he will not accept anything other than total commitment from his whole team.
 
He was an absolutely brilliant player and the exact player that we have lacked for years. The sort of player who wins you titles because he will not accept anything other than total commitment from his whole team.

Not sure that type of player would be successful in today's game.

Stories of Keane type players physically intimidating young players to "emphasize" what is expected of them, same as managers who played "boss" (Souness?)

Modern game is more ego management.
 
Not sure that type of player would be successful in today's game.

Stories of Keane type players physically intimidating young players to "emphasize" what is expected of them, same as managers who played "boss" (Souness?)

Modern game is more ego management.


Bullies only get so far in life (and less-and-less so as as a society we continue to lose respect for authority by virtue of position and become more critical). Visionaries who can get engagement will always go much further
 
He was an absolutely brilliant player and the exact player that we have lacked for years. The sort of player who wins you titles because he will not accept anything other than total commitment from his whole team.

I agree with this, it was obvious during his time at Forest that he would become a great player and he more then proved it at Utd.
 
Failed as a manager
Failed as a coach

He decent player as he had so many qualities.... but I refuse to think of him as a great due to his criminal behaviour. Should have been jailed for his assault on Haaland.

Hoping we don't hear from him again for a very very long time.

He wasn't all bad

[video=youtube;GwcpFXOsrY8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcpFXOsrY8[/video]
 
He wasn't all bad

[video=youtube;GwcpFXOsrY8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcpFXOsrY8[/video]

Exactly.... I couldn't imagine any of our players being like that since Graham Roberts (perhaps with honourable mentions to Paul Stewart and Edgar David's).
 
Roy Keane is a divisive player. Here in Ireland more than anywhere else. In my case, I fall very much on the "pro-Keane" side of the fence (but everyone's entitled to their opinion and I've had the Roy Keane argument too many times to get into it again). He is without a doubt the best player I have ever seen play for Ireland. Him and Hoddle (very different players!) are my two favourite footballers of all times. Without him, I don't think Man Utd would have had as much success as they had when he was there. He was their most important player for several seasons (not necessarily "best", but he held that team together). I also think he was 100% in the right during the bust-up with McCarthy in Saipan. As an Irish football fan, I was devastated at the way it turned out, but Keane had my full support.

I think he suffers from the same problem as Hoddle when it comes to coaching. Hoddle was famously skilled and just couldn't seem to understand why the players he was coaching couldn't do the things he was showing them. Keane on the other hand is famously determined and hard-working, so unless a player is giving 100% all the time, Keane will get frustrated. And sadly, not all players give 100% all the time (can you imagine Keane trying to coach Adebayor!?). He's got his flaws - like all of us - but he was a great footballer and if he were in his prime today and playing for Spurs... I believe we'd be title challengers.
 
Roy Keane is a divisive player. Here in Ireland more than anywhere else. In my case, I fall very much on the "pro-Keane" side of the fence (but everyone's entitled to their opinion and I've had the Roy Keane argument too many times to get into it again). He is without a doubt the best player I have ever seen play for Ireland. Him and Hoddle (very different players!) are my two favourite footballers of all times. Without him, I don't think Man Utd would have had as much success as they had when he was there. He was their most important player for several seasons (not necessarily "best", but he held that team together). I also think he was 100% in the right during the bust-up with McCarthy in Saipan. As an Irish football fan, I was devastated at the way it turned out, but Keane had my full support.

I think he suffers from the same problem as Hoddle when it comes to coaching. Hoddle was famously skilled and just couldn't seem to understand why the players he was coaching couldn't do the things he was showing them. Keane on the other hand is famously determined and hard-working, so unless a player is giving 100% all the time, Keane will get frustrated. And sadly, not all players give 100% all the time (can you imagine Keane trying to coach Adebayor!?). He's got his flaws - like all of us - but he was a great footballer and if he were in his prime today and playing for Spurs... I believe we'd be title challengers.
I agree 100%. I wish that he had played for us.

I love the story about him trying to sign Robbie Savage in his latest biography

“I rang Mark Hughes. Robbie [Savage] wasn’t in the Blackburn team and I asked Mark if we could try to arrange a deal. Sparky said: ‘Yeah, yeah, he’s lost his way here but he could still do a job for you.’ Robbie’s legs were going a bit but I thought he might come up to us [at Sunderland], with his long hair, and give us a lift – the way Yorkie [Dwight Yorke] had, a big personality in the dressing room. Sparky gave me permission to give him a call. So I got Robbie’s mobile number and rang him. It went to his voicemail: ‘Hi, it’s Robbie – whazzup!’ like the Budweiser ad. I never called him back. I thought: ‘I can’t be ****ing signing that.’”
 
That's the "My mates gonna kick your **** whilst I watch from behind him" stare. :lol:

It's the stare on Keane's face in the tunnel that I love. The focus, intensity, sheer determination to win and (yes, I accept) aggression in that man's eyes... and that's how he was before every match; yeah the Viera bust-up was famous, but he'd find some internal reason to work himself up into that mind-set before every game. That's what made him the player he was. That's why it was like having 12 men out there when Roy Keane was on the field. Remember Vertonghen lounging in the tunnel before that match last season? Compare and contrast.
 
I agree 100%. I wish that he had played for us.

I love the story about him trying to sign Robbie Savage in his latest biography

“I rang Mark Hughes. Robbie [Savage] wasn’t in the Blackburn team and I asked Mark if we could try to arrange a deal. Sparky said: ‘Yeah, yeah, he’s lost his way here but he could still do a job for you.’ Robbie’s legs were going a bit but I thought he might come up to us [at Sunderland], with his long hair, and give us a lift – the way Yorkie [Dwight Yorke] had, a big personality in the dressing room. Sparky gave me permission to give him a call. So I got Robbie’s mobile number and rang him. It went to his voicemail: ‘Hi, it’s Robbie – whazzup!’ like the Budweiser ad. I never called him back. I thought: ‘I can’t be ****ing signing that.’”

:lol:
 
Roy Keane is a divisive player. Here in Ireland more than anywhere else. In my case, I fall very much on the "pro-Keane" side of the fence (but everyone's entitled to their opinion and I've had the Roy Keane argument too many times to get into it again). He is without a doubt the best player I have ever seen play for Ireland. Him and Hoddle (very different players!) are my two favourite footballers of all times. Without him, I don't think Man Utd would have had as much success as they had when he was there. He was their most important player for several seasons (not necessarily "best", but he held that team together). I also think he was 100% in the right during the bust-up with McCarthy in Saipan. As an Irish football fan, I was devastated at the way it turned out, but Keane had my full support.

I think he suffers from the same problem as Hoddle when it comes to coaching. Hoddle was famously skilled and just couldn't seem to understand why the players he was coaching couldn't do the things he was showing them. Keane on the other hand is famously determined and hard-working, so unless a player is giving 100% all the time, Keane will get frustrated. And sadly, not all players give 100% all the time (can you imagine Keane trying to coach Adebayor!?). He's got his flaws - like all of us - but he was a great footballer and if he were in his prime today and playing for Spurs... I believe we'd be title challengers.

I wonder just how important Alex Ferguson was in guiding and channeling Keane's determination and willpower into something positive. And if he would have been as successful under different managers.

Seemed likely that Keane's attitude, stature and knowledge about football would make him a good manager/head coach/assistant, but so far it really hasn't panned out that way.

I agree 100%. I wish that he had played for us.

I love the story about him trying to sign Robbie Savage in his latest biography

“I rang Mark Hughes. Robbie [Savage] wasn’t in the Blackburn team and I asked Mark if we could try to arrange a deal. Sparky said: ‘Yeah, yeah, he’s lost his way here but he could still do a job for you.’ Robbie’s legs were going a bit but I thought he might come up to us [at Sunderland], with his long hair, and give us a lift – the way Yorkie [Dwight Yorke] had, a big personality in the dressing room. Sparky gave me permission to give him a call. So I got Robbie’s mobile number and rang him. It went to his voicemail: ‘Hi, it’s Robbie – whazzup!’ like the Budweiser ad. I never called him back. I thought: ‘I can’t be ****ing signing that.’”

Funny, but also a bit weird from Keane. He was in a pretty desperate situation at Sunderland and if he thought Savage could come in and improve his team, but then refuse to bring him in because of a voice mail greeting he might just have shot himself in the foot a bit.
 
I wonder just how important Alex Ferguson was in guiding and channeling Keane's determination and willpower into something positive. And if he would have been as successful under different managers.

Seemed likely that Keane's attitude, stature and knowledge about football would make him a good manager/head coach/assistant, but so far it really hasn't panned out that way.



Funny, but also a bit weird from Keane. He was in a pretty desperate situation at Sunderland and if he thought Savage could come in and improve his team, but then refuse to bring him in because of a voice mail greeting he might just have shot himself in the foot a bit.
He's definitely a bit weird. As DS said, it is what made him a great player and a poor manager/coach.
 
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