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*** Tottenham Hotspur v Woolwich *** OMT

parklane1 said:
I meant Son or Nije which was the original point I made. Come next summer they may/will be better targets around.
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Theoretically I think that we could sign Embolo if we went after him hard enough.

Negredo has fallen out of favour at Valencia so he could probably be secured and he proved that he could score goals in England.

Simone Zaza is another that might be gettable, in the fact that Juventus took their option up on him to bring him in for 18 million euros in the summer even though they have Dybala, Mandzukic and Morata.

I would actually love us to go out and bring in Moussa Dembele from Fulham and not just because it would be hilarious to have two Moussa Dembele's, but because he looks as though he is going to become a fantastic all round centre forward.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Theoretically I think that we could sign Embolo if we went after him hard enough.

Negredo has fallen out of favour at Valencia so he could probably be secured and he proved that he could score goals in England.

Simone Zaza is another that might be gettable, in the fact that Juventus took their option up on him to bring him in for 18 million euros in the summer even though they have Dybala, Mandzukic and Morata.

I would actually love us to go out and bring in Moussa Dembele from Fulham and not just because it would be hilarious to have two Moussa Dembele's, but because he looks as though he is going to become a fantastic all round centre forward.
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To be honest Dembele is a good shout only 19 and would not expect to be first choice, as for the others I would rather we left it to the summer.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I was sitting in with the enemy yesterday (in their East stand). It was quite hilarious to hear some of their comments.

At the start of the game.
“We should be easily rolling this lot over today. They’re nowhere near as good as we are”
“Can’t see them scoring against our defence”

Half way through the first half.
“We’re making them look good”
"Come on Arsenal - wake up!"

Harry Kane’s goal:
“Offside, how the fcuk was that not offside?”.
“The linesman is sh!t”
“You can’t end up that far ahead of play and not have been offside”

Vertonghen/Giroud tangle in the box
(despite the fact that not a single person would’ve seen it):
“Send him off, dirty y!d ****”
“Unbelievable, how did the referee not see that?”
“WTF is the linesman doing?”
“How is that y!d **** still on the pitch”
etc, etc.

Half time whistle:
“Arsenal are playing absolutely rubbish, this lot are sh!t but we’re making them look good”.
“If we were playing at our normal level we’d have won this game by now”

Bob Wilson and Cliff Jones come out….
Wilson says that him and Jonesy originally thought the Kane goal was offside but the replay showed Koschielny had played him on):
“Rubbish – he’s been told to say that to not inflame the situation. Anyone could see that was offside"

Second half.
Moan, groan….
“We’re not at the races”
“Come on Arsenal, you’re letting them play!”
“This ref is terrible, he’s letting Spurs get away with all sorts”
"It's like they're the home team"
"Look at them walking it through us"
“We’re gonna get beat 2 or 3 nil here”

Kane hits it wide when through
The bloke behind me says to his mate next to him: “I don’t rate Harry Kane as a footballer”,
His mate then actually said: “he scored a good goal, has got himself numerous other chances and run our two centre halves ragged all game!”….
The bloke replied “Yeah but I don’t actually think he is a good FOOTBALLER” (like that actually meant something?)….

Gibbs comes on
“What the fcuking hell are you doing Wenger, you haven’t got a clue”

Gibbs scores
“What a brilliant substitution, a tactical masterstroke"
“Come on boys, it’s Arsenal time now. We deserve to win this”

The games ends. Arsenal have barely fashioned a chance from open play in the whole game (although did trouble us from set pieces swung in to Giroud)
“I can’t believe how lucky those y!d ****s are, we should’ve won that”
“How we didn’t win that I’ll never know”
“I thought we weathered the Spurs storm well and really went for it in the last 15 minutes or so”
"We definitely created the better chances"
Admittedly I did hear one bloke say “We got out of jail there, they were better than us all over the park”
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Absolutely hilarious stuff. Not all Gooners are cnuts though. My brother-in law is quite reasonable and he was relieved to have got a point yesterday. He was pooing bricks throughout the match and could n't understand why the gooners seemed so lifeless. Which I have to say was strange as we had played more games than them over the last 7 days. IIRC Wenger was supposed to be the "fitness king." But not only did his team look jaded but they have an extraordinary number of injuries at this stage of the season.
 
Millsy_Yiddo said:
Even though they were good challenges I wanted him off because they were a hair's breadth away from being mis-timed.
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Seems a strange way of thinking.

If Harry Kane puts the ball in the top corner do you want him to stop shooting because he almost missed?
 
parklane1 said:
To be honest Dembele is a good shout only 19 and would not expect to be first choice, as for the others I would rather we left it to the summer.
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Doesn't Dembele's contract expire in the summer? They might be willing to let him go in January rather than risk it going to tribunal next summer.
 
Pirate55 said:
I don't agree with your last paragraph at all. If Lamela would have caught the man before the ball in those final few minutes he was on the pitch I believe he most certainly would have seen a red card. Especially with 60 odd thousand baying at the ref to send him off. Trying to hold off a resurgent Arsenal with 10 tired men would have been doubly difficult. Remember Ade getting a straight red for a reasonably innocuous high boot there several seasons ago?
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High foot and studs showing from Adebayor iirc. Lamela wasn't doing that, though he was sliding in.

Only have to look at the Lucas incident vs. Chelsea to see how reluctant refs can be to show a red, and why certainty on an issue like this is probably not warranted. That was much clearer cut than any of Lamela's challenges against Arsenal would have been even if he had been late. The ref on Sunday was clearly holding back on yellows throughout and I don't think he wanted to give out any red cards. Would have been surprised, though of course no one can know for sure.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The comments above about our squad depth I find intriguing

As Braineclipse says we now have Lamella as one of 4 players of the right quality to start in the 3 roles behind Kane (along with eriksen, son and Dembele) plus we have Njie, Chadli and Pritchard as options and of course Alli and Mason

This squad has depth and flexibility now. We're missing cover for Kane granted but that's about it IMO for now

It would be a big mistake for us to go out and buy too many players in Jan. It could upset the apple cart and take away the strengths we have as a unit
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Agreed and something I've said for a while.

Not sure how many people remember, but I said a while ago we all needed to be brave and support the manager. Part of that is knowing that what he wants to build is a squad HE had built using our youth system and scouting network, rather than going out and 'buying' the answers. It's about far more than just the 11 on the pitch for this fella, he runs this club like an old school manager (I wouldn't be surprised if he chooses the tea used in the canteen!) and for that reason, he can frankly do whatever the fuss he wants.
 
braineclipse said:
High foot and studs showing from Adebayor iirc. Lamela wasn't doing that, though he was sliding in.

Only have to look at the Lucas incident vs. Chel53a to see how reluctant refs can be to show a red, and why certainty on an issue like this is probably not warranted. That was much clearer cut than any of Lamela's challenges against Arsenal would have been even if he had been late. The ref on Sunday was clearly holding back on yellows throughout and I don't think he wanted to give out any red cards. Would have been surprised, though of course no one can know for sure.
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There was one tackle in particular where I held my breath.... It was down on Arsenal's dead ball line where Lamela seemed to slide in from a long way off and seemed to have his legs raised. I think their player jumped out of the way, if their player hadn't jumped then I would've been surprised if the ref had not shown a second yellow. It was one of those situations where Lamela didn't really have too much to gain but had a hell of a lot to lose. He just needs to get a bit more savvy.

I would be interested to hear Pochettino's reasons for substituting Lamela. I don't think it was for energy level reasons as the player was still working hard. It may well have been as he was worried that Lamela would give the ref an opportunity to send him off, but I wonder whether Pochettino just wanted to bring on Son as a player with more pace and direct dribbling ability at a time when the game was more stretched as Arsenal were going for the win having salvaged an equaliser for an undeserved draw. Lamela found himself in some great attacking positions yesterday throughout the game but failed to convert those positions into goals/chances either due to not being fast enough or not being confident/skilfull enough.
 
thfcsteff said:
Agreed and something I've said for a while.

Not sure how many people remember, but I said a while ago we all needed to be brave and support the manager. Part of that is knowing that what he wants to build is a squad HE had built using our youth system and scouting network, rather than going out and 'buying' the answers. It's about far more than just the 11 on the pitch for this fella, he runs this club like an old school manager (I wouldn't be surprised if he chooses the tea used in the canteen!) and for that reason, he can frankly do whatever the fuss he wants.
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Spot on Steff. Trust in the manager and our young players will make us better long term.

It's not like we're not signing players either...

Finney Is Back said:
There was one tackle in particular where I held my breath.... It was down on Arsenal's dead ball line where Lamela seemed to slide in from a long way off and seemed to have his legs raised. I think their player jumped out of the way, if their player hadn't jumped then I would've been surprised if the ref had not shown a second yellow. It was one of those situations where Lamela didn't really have too much to gain but had a hell of a lot to lose. He just needs to get a bit more savvy.

I would be interested to hear Pochettino's reasons for substituting Lamela. I don't think it was for energy level reasons as the player was still working hard. It may well have been as he was worried that Lamela would give the ref an opportunity to send him off, but I wonder whether Pochettino just wanted to bring on Son as a player with more pace and direct dribbling ability at a time when the game was more stretched as Arsenal were going for the win having salvaged an equaliser for an undeserved draw. Lamela found himself in some great attacking positions yesterday throughout the game but failed to convert those positions into goals/chances either due to not being fast enough or not being confident/skilfull enough.
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I think the card might have been a factor. But it's not the first time Lamela has been subbed when working hard. I think it was a combination between the card and him tiring. And quite possibly a planned sub all along. If the fear of a red was the main factor I think Lamela would have been taken of earlier. He had several of the tackles people are claiming would have gotten him sent off if he mistimed them, if fear of the red was the main reason for taking him off surely Pochettion would have done so sooner?
 
i would love the commentary if we signed dembele ...

Dembele to dembele back to dembele, dembele has broken into the box and found dembele, dembele shoots and scores a fantastic goal assisted by dembele ... a fantastic move by dembeles
 
milo said:
Doesn't Dembele's contract expire in the summer? They might be willing to let him go in January rather than risk it going to tribunal next summer.
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No idea to be honest, but if that is the case then we should make a move for him.
 
parklane1 said:
No idea to be honest, but if that is the case then we should make a move for him.
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I just Googled it. His contract is up at the end of the season but he is rumoured to be close to signing a new one. Maybe Symonds getting sacked could work in our favour. Evidently Everton and Bayern Munich have shown interest.
 
Finney Is Back said:
<b>There was one tackle in particular where I held my breath.... It was down on Arsenal's dead ball line where Lamela seemed to slide in from a long way off</b> and seemed to have his legs raised. I think their player jumped out of the way, if their player hadn't jumped then I would've been surprised if the ref had not shown a second yellow. It was one of those situations where Lamela didn't really have too much to gain but had a hell of a lot to lose. He just needs to get a bit more savvy.

I would be interested to hear Pochettino's reasons for substituting Lamela. I don't think it was for energy level reasons as the player was still working hard. It may well have been as he was worried that Lamela would give the ref an opportunity to send him off, but I wonder whether Pochettino just wanted to bring on Son as a player with more pace and direct dribbling ability at a time when the game was more stretched as Arsenal were going for the win having salvaged an equaliser for an undeserved draw. Lamela found himself in some great attacking positions yesterday throughout the game but failed to convert those positions into goals/chances either due to not being fast enough or not being confident/skilfull enough.
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This. Lamela looked to me like a tired player who had been told that he'd be off in 3 minutes and was playing on tilt -- going to ground early as he just didn't have the energy to catch up on his feet. That's not a criticism -- I thought he was superb for 70 minutes (or however long it was), and generally ran around like a mad b*stard.

What I'm trying to say is that Erik was done, and an accident waiting to happen. Poch probably gave him fair warning -- maybe even during the half time break -- and Son should have been a decent replacement. As it turns out, Ozil, a world class player, was given the space to pick a pass, Gibbs made a good far-post run, and Giroud did just enough to put Walker in the "corridor of uncertainty" (to use a cricketing expression). If Gibbs had made the contact he wanted to, Lloris might even have saved it -- having seen the replay a couple of times, I wonder whether he got put off by Giroud's run as well.

For me, it was a damn fine performance, and the reason we didn't win is that we didn't get a second goal when well on top. Again, not a criticism, but just one of those things. It happens. Our young Yiddoes will learn from it -- perhaps next time, rather than playing the pretty passing game for a bit (and, to be fair, they probably needed the breather!), they might press for another goal.
 
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