Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Rose playing is a recipe for disaster, even against Walcott.
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Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal OMT
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Rose playing is a recipe for disaster, even against Walcott.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
if BAE doesnt play you have to play Bale at LB
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I don't like the idea of that either tbh. Bale is not a good defender, he never was.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
I think Rose can do a job there, would much rather him there than Bale in this one. He's done a decent job in the past..
Heard somebody mention the idea of Walker LB with Kaboul RB and Daws and King as the CBs... Wouldnt be the most balanced but its an option?
Heard somebody mention the idea of Walker LB with Kaboul RB and Daws and King as the CBs... Wouldnt be the most balanced but its an option?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I'd rather do that than play Rose or Bale at left back. Bale playing left back means he can't go forward as much, he also won't be able to constantly drift from his position into the centre which we know he loves to do. I really don't see why we let Bassong and Corluka go out on loan, they're both much better than Rose!
yiddo2786
Steed Malbranque
Most of the songs some of our fans used to sing to him were horrible and way out of order.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Benny will be fine...
...I sincerely hope Arsenal try to play football. I am concerned that they will revert to their old filthy ways and do anything to disrupt the flow of the game, in fact, I fully expect little nudges, shoves and shirt pulls for the first 20-25 mins.
Bale absolutely has to keep poker-faced and laugh it off...for me, if he is allowed to roam the wing, he will absolutely rip them a new one...
...I sincerely hope Arsenal try to play football. I am concerned that they will revert to their old filthy ways and do anything to disrupt the flow of the game, in fact, I fully expect little nudges, shoves and shirt pulls for the first 20-25 mins.
Bale absolutely has to keep poker-faced and laugh it off...for me, if he is allowed to roam the wing, he will absolutely rip them a new one...
seaside spur
Ronnie Rosenthal
Itk Steff? I hope so because if Rose plays LB, we are in big trouble, mark my words.
yiddo37
Didier Zokora
If everyone is fit then -
Friedel
Walker Kaboul King BAE
Lennon Parker Modric Bale
Ade VdV
If BAE can't make it play Rose. Really don't like the idea of swapping players around to fill in positions they're unfamiliar with or simply can't perform in. The idea of Walker at lb frightens me as he's not the most inteligent player and positionally can be poor (although improving) which also means playing Kaboul at rb when he has been superb at cb all season and in turn bringing in Dawson who I do rate but not in the same bracket as Kaboul/King.
Play to our strengths not theirs.
Friedel
Walker Kaboul King BAE
Lennon Parker Modric Bale
Ade VdV
If BAE can't make it play Rose. Really don't like the idea of swapping players around to fill in positions they're unfamiliar with or simply can't perform in. The idea of Walker at lb frightens me as he's not the most inteligent player and positionally can be poor (although improving) which also means playing Kaboul at rb when he has been superb at cb all season and in turn bringing in Dawson who I do rate but not in the same bracket as Kaboul/King.
Play to our strengths not theirs.
papaspur
Kasey Keller
Would be funny if he scored against them again, though.
And as much as I want Ade to put one in the back of the net (more like 3 or 4), I think I'd quite enjoy having a few of their own players slip the ball past their own keeper. We're more than capable of creating enough chaos in front of their goalmouth for this to happen.
[video=youtube;QXcWBU-BFk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXcWBU-BFk0[/video]
beautiful chip, that one.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
Exactly! My preference is Rose at LB if BAE is out. Agree that we shouldnt shift things around too much, dont think theyve got enough to warrant us changing our play at all.
5 essential in midfield and Rafa playing is perfect for what we need. Was annoying to see Arsenal have a lot of the ball at the lane this year, lets hope we dont make that mistake again. We're at our best when both Lennon and Bale are firing.
GlennGoddle
Andy Sinton
Everyone fit? Awwww,the filth were pinning their hopes on us having key players out. Shame
Bentley-esque
Hully
Tony Parks
Arsenal-Tottenham derby 'the most crucial' in Arsene Wenger's reign
By David OrnsteinBBC Sport
On the face of it, there is no reason why Tottenham's trip to Arsenal on Sunday should carry more significance than previous north London derbies.
Two fierce local rivals, three keenly contested Premier League points and one much-coveted set of bragging rights - so far, so familiar.
But scratch beneath the surface and an entirely different picture emerges.
"This is the most important derby in Arsene Wenger's 16 years as Arsenal manager," former Gunners right-back Lee Dixon tells BBC Sport.
"It comes at a very poignant time in the club's history."
Out of contention for every domestic trophy and facing likely Champions League elimination, Arsenal are staring at a seventh consecutive trophy-less season.
Defeat by Tottenham, who have never finished above their neighbours during Wenger's tenure, would leave the Gunners 13 points behind third-placed Spurs in the Premier League with 12 games remaining.
Unless Arsenal then won a probable four-way scrap with Chelsea, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Liverpool for fourth place, their 15-year run in the Champions League would be over.
"If they don't get Champions League football next season it's going to be a nightmare," says ex-Arsenal midfielder Emmanuel Petit.
"To get back to where they were, Arsenal need to sign big players in the summer and you can't do that if you don't play Champions League."
Following devastating defeats by Sunderland and AC Milan in their last two matches, Arsenal will be desperate to reignite their season against Spurs.
It is a league fixture that Wenger lost only once in his first 14 years at the club, but all evidence suggests the tide is turning.
Arsenal have won just one of their last seven top-flight meetings and go into the game below Tottenham in the table for only the fourth time in Wenger's 32 derbies.
"Spurs are a better team than Arsenal," Petit admits, while Dixon adds: "There has definitely been a gradual shift of power over the last few seasons."
Football analyst and author Alex Fynn wrote a book in 2000 entitled The Great Divide, which sought to explain Arsenal's dominance over Tottenham.
"Certainly there is no great divide now," says Fynn. "If anything, it may be role reversal."
This has not gone down well with the crowd at Emirates Stadium, where rumblings of discontent have been audible for some time.
Tim Payton, spokesman for the Arsenal Supporters Trust (AST), describes it a "a culture shock, a wake-up call for Arsenal fans who have been used to enjoying St Totteringham's Day".
That is the name Arsenal followers jokingly give to the date each season when Spurs cannot mathematically finish above Arsenal.
Unfortunately for them, that holiday looks like it will not be celebrated in 2012 and many of those fans are questioning how it has come to this.
Wenger lifted seven trophies in his first nine years at Arsenal, but now looks set to endure the longest barren spell of any manager in the club's history. (!)
"Wenger needed a challenge from his backroom staff and the board," Fynn argues. "This is the most significant problem he has failed to deal with.
"The other major clubs have arguably had better backroom staff and refreshed them on several occasions. Just look at Manchester United.
"Wenger has never had this and, as other clubs have moved on, Arsenal have stood still and maybe even gone backwards.
"Why has he not surrounded himself with men of quality? What on earth is [retired former Arsenal captain] Patrick Vieira doing at Emirates Marketing Project?"
Fynn also blames the 2007 departure of chief executive David Dein, who remains Wenger's best friend, for Arsenal slipping behind their rivals in the transfer market.
This is one of many areas in which Tottenham have excelled since chairman Daniel Levy appointed Harry Redknapp as manager in 2008.
"Spurs were branded a team without ambition for almost a decade," Petit explains. "But in the last two years they have signed so many good players and big characters that this team seems far more competitive than Arsenal.
"All of a sudden the politics changed and they started to spend a lot of money. Big wages, bringing in many international players with big experience, big characters - mixing the likes of Rafael van der Vaart and Emmanuel Adebayor with very good players already in the team like Gareth Bale, Aaron Lennon, Jermain Defoe.
"Now the quality is there and they have the mentality too. It will be very interesting to see how Arsenal react to this, especially at home. It's a massive test after what's happened during the last week."
Dixon adds: "Going into a north London derby, as fans you'll read lots of stuff. As players you put that all out of the way, you forget it, because it is ultimately about what happens on the day.
"The thing to pay more attention to is recent results and Arsenal's form is poor.
"That in itself is demoralising. But when I was at the club, if we ever had a bad series of results the next game you want to be a big one because it gets your mind focused on what's coming rather than feeling sorry for yourself.
"And there's no bigger one than the north London derby at this stage of the season with so much at stake. So roll your sleeves up and get stuck in."
The AST estimates that missing out on the Champions League could cost Arsenal ?ú45m and that is why Payton thinks Sunday is "much more than a north London derby".
Victory would bring fresh hope but, for Arsenal and Wenger, defeat does not bear thinking about.
"That would be the third body shot in quick succession," says Fynn. "It may be the knockout blow."
By David OrnsteinBBC Sport
On the face of it, there is no reason why Tottenham's trip to Arsenal on Sunday should carry more significance than previous north London derbies.
Two fierce local rivals, three keenly contested Premier League points and one much-coveted set of bragging rights - so far, so familiar.
But scratch beneath the surface and an entirely different picture emerges.
"This is the most important derby in Arsene Wenger's 16 years as Arsenal manager," former Gunners right-back Lee Dixon tells BBC Sport.
"It comes at a very poignant time in the club's history."
Out of contention for every domestic trophy and facing likely Champions League elimination, Arsenal are staring at a seventh consecutive trophy-less season.
Defeat by Tottenham, who have never finished above their neighbours during Wenger's tenure, would leave the Gunners 13 points behind third-placed Spurs in the Premier League with 12 games remaining.
Unless Arsenal then won a probable four-way scrap with Chelsea, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Liverpool for fourth place, their 15-year run in the Champions League would be over.
"If they don't get Champions League football next season it's going to be a nightmare," says ex-Arsenal midfielder Emmanuel Petit.
"To get back to where they were, Arsenal need to sign big players in the summer and you can't do that if you don't play Champions League."
Following devastating defeats by Sunderland and AC Milan in their last two matches, Arsenal will be desperate to reignite their season against Spurs.
It is a league fixture that Wenger lost only once in his first 14 years at the club, but all evidence suggests the tide is turning.
Arsenal have won just one of their last seven top-flight meetings and go into the game below Tottenham in the table for only the fourth time in Wenger's 32 derbies.
"Spurs are a better team than Arsenal," Petit admits, while Dixon adds: "There has definitely been a gradual shift of power over the last few seasons."
Football analyst and author Alex Fynn wrote a book in 2000 entitled The Great Divide, which sought to explain Arsenal's dominance over Tottenham.
"Certainly there is no great divide now," says Fynn. "If anything, it may be role reversal."
This has not gone down well with the crowd at Emirates Stadium, where rumblings of discontent have been audible for some time.
Tim Payton, spokesman for the Arsenal Supporters Trust (AST), describes it a "a culture shock, a wake-up call for Arsenal fans who have been used to enjoying St Totteringham's Day".
That is the name Arsenal followers jokingly give to the date each season when Spurs cannot mathematically finish above Arsenal.
Unfortunately for them, that holiday looks like it will not be celebrated in 2012 and many of those fans are questioning how it has come to this.
Wenger lifted seven trophies in his first nine years at Arsenal, but now looks set to endure the longest barren spell of any manager in the club's history. (!)
"Wenger needed a challenge from his backroom staff and the board," Fynn argues. "This is the most significant problem he has failed to deal with.
"The other major clubs have arguably had better backroom staff and refreshed them on several occasions. Just look at Manchester United.
"Wenger has never had this and, as other clubs have moved on, Arsenal have stood still and maybe even gone backwards.
"Why has he not surrounded himself with men of quality? What on earth is [retired former Arsenal captain] Patrick Vieira doing at Emirates Marketing Project?"
Fynn also blames the 2007 departure of chief executive David Dein, who remains Wenger's best friend, for Arsenal slipping behind their rivals in the transfer market.
This is one of many areas in which Tottenham have excelled since chairman Daniel Levy appointed Harry Redknapp as manager in 2008.
"Spurs were branded a team without ambition for almost a decade," Petit explains. "But in the last two years they have signed so many good players and big characters that this team seems far more competitive than Arsenal.
"All of a sudden the politics changed and they started to spend a lot of money. Big wages, bringing in many international players with big experience, big characters - mixing the likes of Rafael van der Vaart and Emmanuel Adebayor with very good players already in the team like Gareth Bale, Aaron Lennon, Jermain Defoe.
"Now the quality is there and they have the mentality too. It will be very interesting to see how Arsenal react to this, especially at home. It's a massive test after what's happened during the last week."
Dixon adds: "Going into a north London derby, as fans you'll read lots of stuff. As players you put that all out of the way, you forget it, because it is ultimately about what happens on the day.
"The thing to pay more attention to is recent results and Arsenal's form is poor.
"That in itself is demoralising. But when I was at the club, if we ever had a bad series of results the next game you want to be a big one because it gets your mind focused on what's coming rather than feeling sorry for yourself.
"And there's no bigger one than the north London derby at this stage of the season with so much at stake. So roll your sleeves up and get stuck in."
The AST estimates that missing out on the Champions League could cost Arsenal ?ú45m and that is why Payton thinks Sunday is "much more than a north London derby".
Victory would bring fresh hope but, for Arsenal and Wenger, defeat does not bear thinking about.
"That would be the third body shot in quick succession," says Fynn. "It may be the knockout blow."
mick cooper
Neil Sullivan
Howard Webb
Clive Wilson
yeah we remember you as well, ponytailed fudge!