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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

Sandman said:
LOL its just my opinion. Well I remember what happened with the NFL Europe. It started off with the London Monarchs playing at Wembley. They used to get about 40k average. Then they moved it to WHL and it dropped to 12k, they blamed this a lot on the fact of the tribalism regarding football grounds. Then they though they would move it around the country to different areas before it got canned all together.

so although I hope the NFL guys do know better than me, the past experience makes me think it might be an issue. I would love nothing more than for Spurs to make a bundle of cash out of it. As long as the NFL pre pay anything towards the stadium then so be it as it will not matter.

As a supporter of Spurs and the NFL I want what is best for both. I just dont think anyone will want to watch the London Jags to the level that they are watching the current games in my opinion.
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the problem with the Monarchs, and NFLE in general, imo, was that it wasn't the NFL, even the really hardcore fans (maybe especially the hardcore fans) knew that the product was second rate, I think this is different, this is the NFL, all of it, Sunday football, fireworks, cheerleaders, real superstars, every game, playing to get to the Super Bowl

if it happens, whenever the Cowboys are over I'll be there cheering them on, when it's London against the 49ers/philthadelphia/new York bozos and the skids I'll be a there as a homer, I'll probably hate on a few more teams as well
 
richardanthonyc said:
A uk team would get loads of people who watch NFL coming to london to watch. Hell I can name a dozen people I know in Hull where I live who go to every NFL game in Wembley and it's a small place up here!
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...which makes you unrepresentative by definition. You couldn't have nailed the general point better.
 
DublinSpur said:
I just hope that the finances of all this don't leave us in a situation where the stability of Tottenham Hotspur FC is dependant upon the success of a London NFL franchise. I may be in the minority on this, but I just don't think - after the initial novelty has worn off - that NFL will be consistently successful outside the USA.
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Don't agree, people have been saying exactly what you said since the first game was announced what was it 8 years ago. They are now on 3 games, these games are complete sellouts each time and sell in quick time. There are enough US expats in the UK that would alone continue the popularity without those fans in the UK, let alone the huge number that travel from around Europe. NFL is here to stay, Franchise is a different story, not so sure but would be nice.
 
DublinSpur said:
I suppose. And I'm well aware that they will spend literally millions on market research rather than base their next move on my gut feeling. That's why I'm not telling them my gut feeling... I'm putting it exactly where it belongs, on a message board designed for football fans to share their gut feelings.
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The games at Wembley is there market research.
 
let's not forget Levy is involved as well, if there is anything to this the financial arrangements are more likely to bring down the NFL than Spurs, we'll probably end up with the first pick in the draft
 
mudshark said:
...which makes you unrepresentative by definition. You couldn't have nailed the general point better.
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Or it could be read that even in a small place such as Hull there is a desire to watch NFL games. That dozen or so people were from my old company alone and they usually traveled down in a bus with other Hull NFL fans to Wembley. NFL will be a success in London, there is several U.S army bases were people can easily travel to London throughout Europe as well as a significant amount of American ex pats in the UK who would probably be interested in going to NFL games too. I think if it is going to be successful anywhere overseas it will be London.

I have several friends back in Ireland who want this to happen so they can go to more games too and if we develop the stadium to host NFL game too there is no loss to us to have a multi function stadium
 
Superhudd said:
Don't agree, people have been saying exactly what you said since the first game was announced what was it 8 years ago. They are now on 3 games, these games are complete sellouts each time and sell in quick time. There are enough US expats in the UK that would alone continue the popularity without those fans in the UK, let alone the huge number that travel from around Europe. NFL is here to stay, Franchise is a different story, not so sure but would be nice.
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And many of those Americans work in the financial sector and/or corporate HQs in London. This opens up huge opportunities for corporate entertaining, both from London branches of American firms and other firms wanting to do business with American firms. This is where the big money is and they can adjust the regular seat price to keep the stadium full.

I suspect this is where a new WHL may have an advantage over Wembley where a lot of the corporate spaces has restrictions due to club membership.
 
From skyscrapecity:

RMB2007;123956172 said:
Foundation layout:

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Anyone any idea why the south side of the stadium is so different?
 
Looking at that pic from SSC the shape seems different as well, especially when you look at the East and West Stands with the straight lines which make the bowl somewhat incomplete.

Edit: Looking at it again there is a faded line that wraps round it all which completes a bowl and could be the outer wall but I'm no engineer nor in any feild. Professional help needed.
 
Some proper stadium porn at last.

If we build it far enough down, the whole pitch can slide into a basement level beneath whatever buildings are put up at the southern end.
 
Jordinho said:
Some proper stadium porn at last.

If we build it far enough down, the whole pitch can slide into a basement level beneath whatever buildings are put up at the southern end.
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Is it possible/financially viable to have an underground expanse that is big enough to host a whole football pitch as well as holding all of the weight above it? Wouldn't it be cheaper/easier to have a pitch on hydraulics that can sink down in order for an astro pitch to be laid on top?
 
Just spoke to the missus (she's an architect - never worked on a stadium but has been involved in some pretty big projects - hospitals, large hotels, etc.)

Her guess (and she stresses it's just an educated guess) is that the "extended" bit at the south-end is likely to be underground multi-storey parking (with the additional foundation piles being there to support that structure and whatever is above it). Without seeing a more detailed drawing (with labels and a key) she definitely doesn't rule out the possibility that it could be something else (retractable pitch? Who knows?) but said she'd be happy to take an even-money bet that it's a parking structure.
 
Holy mother of jesus and all the decendents after.. I'm an atheist! But felt like the right thing to say having seen that stadium porn of the retracting pitch
 
According to my brother who has studied engineeribg at HND/HNC level the squares are what's called stanchions. Which is one these.

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He said that such piling would be unlikely for what engineers call a 'live load' basically anything that moves. It's more than likely to be for a dead load, so car park would make sense. Yes cars move but the purpose of a car park is for them to be static.

He too didn't rule out a moving pitch either but did say stanchions would be a unlikely use for holding up a live load such as a moving pitch that weighs 100s if not 1000s tons.
 
How the Veltins Arena did it.

The sliding pitch of Veltins Arena is laid inside a reinforced concrete container containing a special soil mixture. The 400mm-deep substructure, measuring 119m x 79m and weighing 11,000t, was built using 400 precast concrete feet of 700mm-high each.

The tray rests on sliding soles comprising a rubber layer, steel plate and Teflon sole, which slide over 16 resin-coated steel slide rails. The rails are built in a 350mm-deep reinforced concrete slab. The sliding is built over a 320m-long secondary foundation concrete slab, which floats on a continuous slide film to avoid shrinkage. A 2m-deep lateral ditch below the foundation slab enables inspection and maintenance.
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11,000 tons....wow.

Would such piling as seen in the above be suitable for such a concrete slab/foundations?
 
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