The Next 10 Years - Poll

[parklane1]

CL football does look better from the armchair i guess

Especially if you are winning games on the abacus as well

 

[Baleforce]

Now you are being silly.

that quote to be taken literally would be silly yes, but our ultimate goal has to be to win the european cup, that's the pinnacle of our eligibility

 

[parklane1]

that quote to be taken literally would be silly yes, but our ultimate goal has to be to win the european cup, that's the pinnacle of our eligibility

The goal of any team is to win A trophy.

 

[Baleforce]

The goal of any team is to win A trophy.

not A trophy, THE trophy

 

[DubaiSpur]

Saudi Sportswashing Machine back then sounds a lot like the club you want, throwing money at overrated marquee signings in a show of faux ambition.

Right.....whereas charging the second-highest season ticket prices in the league in exchange for one Carling Cup in 15 years, bargain-basement buys like Fazio and Stambouli and former managers routinely calling us out on our delusions is the height of 'real', genuine ambition. Thanks for the clarification, Jord.

 

[parklane1]

not A trophy, THE trophy

Not for me, I have been lucky enough to have seen us win ( and be at most of them) 14 trophys and I want to see more rather then finishing among the runners up for the next ten years ( which is what the question was).

 

[Baleforce]

Not for me, I have been lucky enough to have seen us win ( and be at most of them) 14 trophys and I want to see more rather then finishing among the runners up for the next ten years ( which is what the question was).

the way I see it the options are storied irrelevence or unspectacular foundation building

 

[DubaiSpur]

the way I see it the options are storied irrelevence or unspectacular foundation building

Given that another option is merely unspectacular irrelevance....trophies over this nebulous 'foundation-building' any goddamn day, imo. We have been overtaken by Chelsea and City within the last decade. I'd rather not wait until West Ham start winning trophies and threatening to overtake us before this mythical lurch towards the big-time finally takes place. Bad enough that self-imposed straitjackets prevent us from doing both at the same time: the prospect of Chelsea, Arse and City winning three/four titles each over the next decade and pushing us into utter irrelevance in the process while we patiently make enormous profits for our owners and live with our one Carling Cup in 25/30 years, however, is even more depressing, to say nothing of the likes of West Ham winning cups that by rights we could and should be winning, or at least trying to win.

 

[Jordinho]

Given that another option is merely unspectacular irrelevance....trophies over this nebulous 'foundation-building' any goddamn day, imo. We have been overtaken by Chelsea and City within the last decade. I'd rather not wait until West Ham start winning trophies and threatening to overtake us before this mythical lurch towards the big-time finally takes place. Bad enough that self-imposed straitjackets prevent us from doing both at the same time: the prospect of Chelsea, Arse and City winning three/four titles each over the next decade and pushing us into utter irrelevance in the process while we patiently make enormous profits for our owners and live with our one Carling Cup in 25/30 years, however, is even more depressing, to say nothing of the likes of West Ham winning cups that by rights we could and should be winning, or at least trying to win.

How on earth are West Ham going to start winning cups?

 

[indianspur]

Couldnt care less about the annuls of history.
Imagine the excitement of the 2016/17 Champion's League campaign Spurs lording it over Europe playing the most exciting football with a young team and getting as far as the final. Imagine ten years of Champion's League semi finals. Taking our place back at the elite end of football. One of the only teams among them that got there by doing it the right way. Imagine our victories of Barcelona, Real and Bayern.

Sure you could endure missing out of Champion's League ever year winning Trophies that become more devalued every year against the likes of Villa, Hull, Wigan, Stoke, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Bradford, Birmingham (all recent domestic Cup finalists) just for a nice day out at Wembley and having a few trophies in your history on wikipedia to look at in 30 years with the club in a mess with the rest of the world having moved on.

The poll doesn't give the option of ten years of CL semi finals playing wonderful attacking footbal. It's just ECL qualification. We could qualify ten years in a row but be a complete embarrassment year in year out.

So with the simple options on offer, I choose ten years of guaranteed trophies every year. The game is about glory

 

[DubaiSpur]

How on earth are West Ham going to start winning cups?

Spending money, finding the right manager, prioritizing those competitions over semi-final places in the CL in pursuit of some extremely profitable and prudent 'foundation-building'.....by all means, substitute Everton or Saints or whoever if you feel Spam are too incapable of doing such things.

 

[indianspur]

do teams still do open top buses for the fa cup?

I don't remember the goons doing it last year, it was Wigan before that and they don't have roads up there do they?

Oh believe me, if Spurs ever get themselves into the position of actually winning the FA cup, Levy will milk it for all its worth with DVDs, mugs, t shirts, knickers, open top bus rides through north , south, east, west london

 

[Jordinho]

Spending money, finding the right manager, prioritizing those competitions over semi-final places in the CL in pursuit of some extremely profitable and prudent 'foundation-building'.....by all means, substitute Everton or Saints or whoever if you feel Spam are too incapable of doing such things.

None of those clubs are going get near anything more than a league cup once a decade because they have absolutely zero foundations, no money to spend, keep hiring managers from the merry-go-round, what little money they do scrape together is wasted on dross like Carroll or Lukaku (all hail the marquee signings). Southampton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Swansea are the only clubs outside the top 6 with any sort of plan, but none of them will ever consistently challenge for trophies or top 4 without multiplying their current revenue streams tenfold.

By all means, keep spouting your crap about Levy, brand every signing as bargain bin or unwanted by the manager because he wasn't expensive enough or didn't have a marquee profile, but you clearly have no idea about long term planning or running a multi-million business, let alone a sustainable model for a football club.

 

[indianspur]

None of those clubs are going get near anything more than a league cup once a decade because they have absolutely zero foundations, no money to spend, keep hiring managers from the merry-go-round, what little money they do scrape together is wasted on dross like Carroll or Lukaku (all hail the marquee signings). Southampton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Swansea are the only clubs outside the top 6 with any sort of plan, but none of them will ever consistently challenge for trophies or top 4 without multiplying their current revenue masked water tyrants tenfold.

By all means, keep spouting your crap about Levy, brand every signing as bargain bin or unwanted by the manager because he wasn't expensive enough or didn't have a marquee profile, but you clearly have no idea about long term planning or running a multi-million business, let alone a sustainable model for a football club.

Haha you mock the likes of Saints and Everton but Spurs have only gone close to winning the league cup, we only spend what we scape together from sales, then go and waste that money on useless signings, Spurs change their manager on a regular basis, our foundations are no different to theirs. We currently have kids coming thru? Well the Saints and Everton have been bringing through PL class kids longer than we have

come on, quit the snooty attitude. We are in no position to lord it over the likes of them

 

[DubaiSpur]

None of those clubs are going get near anything more than a league cup once a decade because they have absolutely zero foundations, no money to spend, keep hiring managers from the merry-go-round, what little money they do scrape together is wasted on dross like Carroll or Lukaku (all hail the marquee signings). Southampton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Swansea are the only clubs outside the top 6 with any sort of plan, but none of them will ever consistently challenge for trophies or top 4 without multiplying their current revenue masked water tyrants tenfold.

By all means, keep spouting your crap about Levy, brand every signing as bargain bin or unwanted by the manager because he wasn't expensive enough or didn't have a marquee profile, but you clearly have no idea about long term planning or running a multi-million business, let alone a sustainable model for a football club.

What? Seriously, what? I'm not even going to try to respond to that absolutely putrid drivel about 'long-term planning' (I doubt our many previous managers were too enamored by Levy's 'long-term planning'), but I get that you won't stop finding creative ways to justify our owners' lies about why they won't back the club's on-pitch ambitions, so go ahead: however, you think Stambouli, Fazio, Nelsen, Saha.....you seriously think these signings are valued additions to the squad that the manager at the time was desperate to bring in?

After AVB's outburst, I imagined that the very people who so robotically and relentlessly drone on about how GHod-like Levy is would finally have realised that yes, there are signings made by the club that the manager doesn't want, that he feels are too bargain-basement in nature. I also hoped that the way Stambouli's been used this season would at the very least have enlightened those same people about the types of players our manager wants.

But no, apparently you've point-blank refused to even digest that fact, instead resorting to the stupidly transparent claim that my branding of our signings as 'bargain bin' stems from a desire to only see players with a 'marquee' profile play for the club. No, it stems from a desire not to see players at the club who are only here because they're the cheapest alternatives to the players the manager wants, the ones that will allow for the biggest profits in the window. Christ man, what will it take for you to see this? Poch pulling Stambouli on stage at the post-season dinner and shouting 'this is what absolutely miserly transfer spending looks like!'?

And wow, those jibes about not knowing how to run a multi-million pound business or a football club. I'm sure, Mr.Dein/Perez/Laporta/Gill, that your long experience of running massive football clubs makes you far more qualified than me to comment on these fan forums: or, alternatively, your decades of experience running an MNC or a billion-dollar hedge fund. Forgive a solidly middle-class fan's misplaced confidence in his own ability to distinguish what his football club is and is not supposed to be: please, do carry on in your infinite wisdom, and when you can, stop by here and deign to give us dirty commoners the benefit of your infinite knowledge and expertise. After all, it is your great foresight that has led you to make the surely irrefutable claim that Everton/West Ham/Saints aren't going to win more than one cup in the next decade: we'd surely benefit from more of such far-seeing wisdom.

B*llocks.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Let's face it minor trophies are by and large an irrelevance. You can win one of them and then disappear off the map, cf Wigan and Pompey. Think of that. The only trophies that matter are the PL and CL. We all know it, no point in pretending otherwise.

Regular CL qualification would mean our results week-in week-out would by definition be that much better, we'd regularly play host to a much better class of European clubs including potentially the elite such as Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid. We'd enjoy much more media attention and it would put an end to Thursday night/Sunday afternoon misery. It would also bring with it a progressive upgrade in the quality of our squad year-on-year so that going forward we'd be in with a more realistic chance of actually winning something worthwhile.

So it's a no-brainer, ECL qualification for me.

 

[Papercut]

Well the voting percentages have shifted towards the 'trophy phalanx' - I imagine the 'ECL phalanx' will be happy with second place

It is scary for me personally that winning something 'lesser' is a lower priority than competing in a competition that should have a name change (CHAMPIONS League - what the feck have the goons championed in when it comes to that competition??).

I'll stick with the enjoyment I had when Woodgate scored the winner against Chelsea and the other wins. I'm still gutted about the FA Cup loss against Coventry!

Oh, been a fan for 35 years.

 

[Modric THFC]

If you really want these minor trophies consistently will you lot be happy with us resting players in the league so we can concentrate on them?

 

[Jordinho]

What? Seriously, what? I'm not even going to try to respond to that absolutely putrid drivel about 'long-term planning' (I doubt our many previous managers were too enamored by Levy's 'long-term planning'), but I get that you won't stop finding creative ways to justify our owners' lies about why they won't back the club's on-pitch ambitions, so go ahead: however, you think Stambouli, Fazio, Nelsen, Saha.....you seriously think these signings are valued additions to the squad that the manager at the time was desperate to bring in?

After AVB's outburst, I imagined that the very people who so robotically and relentlessly drone on about how GHod-like Levy is would finally have realised that yes, there are signings made by the club that the manager doesn't want, that he feels are too bargain-basement in nature. I also hoped that the way Stambouli's been used this season would at the very least have enlightened those same people about the types of players our manager wants.

But no, apparently you've point-blank refused to even digest that fact, instead resorting to the stupidly transparent claim that my branding of our signings as 'bargain bin' stems from a desire to only see players with a 'marquee' profile play for the club. No, it stems from a desire not to see players at the club who are only here because they're the cheapest alternatives to the players the manager wants, the ones that will allow for the biggest profits in the window. Christ man, what will it take for you to see this? Poch pulling Stambouli on stage at the post-season dinner and shouting 'this is what absolutely miserly transfer spending looks like!'?

And wow, those jibes about not knowing how to run a multi-million pound business or a football club. I'm sure, Mr.Dein/Perez/Laporta/Gill, that your long experience of running massive football clubs makes you far more qualified than me to comment on these fan forums: or, alternatively, your decades of experience running an MNC or a billion-dollar hedge fund. Forgive a solidly middle-class fan's misplaced confidence in his own ability to distinguish what his football club is and is not supposed to be: please, do carry on in your infinite wisdom, and when you can, stop by here and deign to give us dirty commoners the benefit of your infinite knowledge and expertise. After all, it is your great foresight that has led you to make the surely irrefutable claim that Everton/West Ham/Saints aren't going to win more than one cup in the next decade: we'd surely benefit from more of such far-seeing wisdom.

B*llocks.

I know enough to know that I don't know all the intricacies of how it's done, but some sound logic tells me it's not as simple as just spending big now and making it back once we start winning things. Managers rarely last more than 2 or 3 seasons. The majority of clubs are in fact MORE trigger happy than Spurs, despite constant claims otherwise. Spending big with no view towards the future (what happens if it doesn't work out with player or manager?) is lunacy. Neither do we have first pick of any player we want, there are at least a dozen clubs out there with more money/pull than us.

Your model, as based on your countless jibes towards Levy, seems to be pay whatever it takes to get the players the coach asks for (as determined by you judging by how you dismiss everyone we do sign). Don't worry about keeping the club in business, just pay whatever it takes. It's not about saving a buck here and there, we're talking millions and it all adds up in the end.

Fazio, according to Ardiles he was someone Poch spoke very highly of.

Stambouli, apparently targeted by Southampton and Mitchell as a potential Schneiderlin replacement. Clearly someone Poch knew nothing about and didn't want.

Davies and Vorm, bought to fill voids in our squad.

Outside the top 6, Swansea are the only current PL club to have won a major trophy in the last 15 years.

Leicester: 15 years
Aston Villa: 19 years
Everton: 20 years
Southampton: 39 years

Clubs like Blackburn, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Wigan, Middlesboro, spending (way) beyond your means always comes with a price. Eventually the funding ran out.

Again not counting the wages the other clubs pay, which dwarf us completely. Forget net spend, the accounts tell you how much money we have and there's not enough left over to even come close to the other five. We do however re-invest all money from sales.

The rest of the PL are as far behind us as we are behind those richer than us. How you think any of them are suddenly going to start amassing trophies is beyond me.

 

[DubaiSpur]

@Jordinho -

Your model, as based on your countless jibes towards Levy, seems to be pay whatever it takes to get the players the coach asks for (as determined by you judging by how you dismiss everyone we do sign)

Again, what the F*CK were these blokes talking about, if the only apparent disagreements between the coach and the manager are ethereal entities I myself decide to wish into existence?

"....‘Then you don’t sack the manager for not always being in the top four,’ he said. ‘I didn’t have a problem with selling Berbatov, so long as someone came in to replace him.

‘The two strikers that I asked for were Samuel Eto’o and David Villa. But we were left with Darren Bent and Roman Pavlyuchenko.

‘We started the league and we couldn’t beat anyone; we couldn’t score a goal under a rainbow and in the eighth week I’m gone.’

Ramos manages a smile when he recalls the tragi-comic nature of his only pre-season at Tottenham in which the striker he didn’t fancy - Bent - couldn’t stop scoring.

‘All the goals we got that pre-season, he scored! Hell! It’s the worst thing that could have happened.

‘We won every game and he scores 11 or 12 goals and so the chairman thinks, “This guy Berbatov out, this guy Robbie Keane out!”

‘And then what happens? In December they spent £51m to rectify the mistakes. They say, “It’s the manager who doesn’t understand. He doesn’t know anything. The stupid Spaniard hasn’t got a clue. We’ll blame him”.

‘The guy that sold Keane and Berbatov wasn’t to blame and yet they had to spend £51m to sort it out!’"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Tottenham-just-care-money.html#ixzz3bgaHAnNx

"Yet January saw them loan out defender Vedran Corluka and midfielder Steven Pienaar and sign injury-prone pair Louis Saha and Ryan Nelsen.
Surprise, surprise, they both got injured.

Then, Redknapp’s England flirtation saw Levy approach his manager about a new contract in February, offering a deal to suit both parties - ensuring he could go if the FA came calling and Spurs would get compensation and security.

Redknapp did want the England job and did not want to jeopardise his chances.

It all became a distraction and Spurs’ results crashed through the floor, they blew a 13-point lead over bitter rivals Arsenal and Redknapp’s stock fell dramatically.

Redknapp went public, saying he had wanted Carlos Tevez and Chris Samba in January - but ended up with Saha and Nelsen.

That was seen as the manager inferring that the club didn’t back him.

The relationship with the chairman disintegrated to a point where Redknapp brought in agent Paul Stretford, who is known for his negotiating abilities.

Even at 7pm on Wednesday, Redknapp was telling friends he was still in charge.

He had to if he was to get his pay-off.

But Levy was looking for an exit route so he could make a change.

Levy knows it is hard to justify Spurs' decision on results.

But, behind the scenes, things had become impossible."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-harry-redknapp-says-spurs-883598

"'...The chairman proposed a challenge to increase Tottenham’s competitive level, but immediately [Luka] Modric left and we didn’t get any of the targets I had identified such as João Moutinho, Willian, Oscar or Leandro Damião,' he told Portuguese television. 'These were promises that were not kept. I had a group of players I had not chosen. In two years I lost [Rafael] van der Vaart, Modric, Bale, and all the promises made were unfulfilled.'

Villas-Boas added: 'Tottenham set a points and victories record in my first season, missed out on the Champions League by one point and had a great run in the Europa League. In the second season, at the time I left we had more points than in the previous campaign. I ended up leaving by mutual agreement – I wasn’t sacked – because I gave full support to the football director Franco Baldini despite him having other ambitions, meaning that I ended up with players that did not fit the profile I wanted.

'I speak of Franco Baldini, who came from AS Roma and is now in a down position, exiting the club. But I don’t look at my time at Tottenham as a negative experience. It was an experience I needed to have.'"

http://www.theguardian.com/football...las-boas-tottenham-daniel-levy-broke-promises


The f*ck were all these blokes talking about, then? Bent, Pav, Saha, Nelsen, and the waves of AVB signings he himself said he didn't want...they were all signings the manager just loved, and it's just me making an issue out of the fact that they were signed?

Are you seriously suggesting this?

And, to top it off....

Fazio, according to Ardiles he was someone Poch spoke very highly of.

Stambouli, apparently targeted by Southampton and Mitchell as a potential Schneiderlin replacement. Clearly someone Poch knew nothing about and didn't want.

Fazio, the third or fourth choice behind any of Lovren, Moreno and Musacchio, was supposed to be someone Poch wanted all along? And, more than that, Stambouli was supposed to be the replacement for Schneiderlin (going by your unsubstantiated claim)? Really? So, the fact that this first choice, totally-not-bargain-basement signing played just 12 times (454 minutes) in the Premier League, being ignored in favour of a) flogging Mason and Bentaleb into the ground, even when it was clear that they needed rest, and b) playing Dembele and even Paulinho in the DM/CM positions instead......this is the sign of a Schneiderlin replacement that the coach wants and is a fan of? A player who ended up playing more minutes in the Europa League (494) than in the Premier League, and who may well be shipped off to Marseille after one utterly unproductive season...this is supposed to be an example of a player the coach wants and is a great fan of (as opposed to one foisted on him by an utterly tight-fisted chairman always on the lookout for the cheap option)?

Again...seriously?

Forget net spend, the accounts tell you how much money we have and there's not enough left over to even come close to the other five. We do however re-invest all money from sales.

'The accounts' show that, as of 2014, we possessed the largest post-tax profit ever recorded by an English club, at 65.3 million pounds.

(Courtesy Swiss Ramble, http://swissramble.blogspot.ca/sear...:00+02:00&max-results=7&start=2&by-date=false )

What we spend it on is pretty clear (that sodding stadium, probably), but it is an utterly transparent lie to claim that 'the accounts' show that we have nothing in the bank. To repeat - we made the largest post-tax profit ever recorded by an English club over the 2013/2014 season, and that's without taking into account the effects of the gigantic new TV deal which came after that.

It is bullcrap, Jord, to claim otherwise.

And as for the tidbit about 'reinvesting all money from sales',:

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

We have a net spend of - (minus) 21,850,000 pounds, by this estimate, with other sites like transfermarkt reporting similar figures (And with a poster the Fighting rooster claiming that this figure doesn't even include the 6-10 million quid we got for Sandro (http://www.thefightingrooster.co.uk...gue-net-spend-table-for-last-5-seasons.11647/)). We have consistently made profits in every transfer window since the summer of 2010-2011. It is again transparently ridiculous (and possibly dishonest) to claim otherwise. Bullcrap, Jord, utter bullcrap.

Read on for Part 2: