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The new, new manager thread - Pt 3

Kingdawson said:
Did you read my next post about Poch?
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I did... and I'm not stating that Pochettino isn't a decent manager - far from it, I actually think he has done a decent job at Southampton and he would be my second choice behind FDB for our job. I just wonder how you can state that FDB hasn't achieved "anything to write home about" when he has had 4 seasons in management (3 full seasons and 1 partial) and his league record has been:

2010 - 2011: 1st* (Ajax were 4th when he took over in December)
2011 - 2012: 1st
2012 - 2013: 1st
2013 - 2014: 1st

This compares to Pochettino who has had 6 seasons in management (3 full seasons and 3 partial seasons) with finishes of:

2008 - 2009: 10th* (Espanyol were 18th when he took over in January)
2009 - 2010: 11th
2010 - 2011: 8th
2011 - 2012: 20th* (After 13 games when he left the club)
2012 - 2013: 14th* (Southampton were in 15th place when he took over in January)
2013 - 2014: 8th.

Yes I know there is a difference between Ajax, Espanyol, Southampton and the leagues in The Netherlands, Spain and England but still....

I am not questioning the credentials of Pochettino, just questioning your logic regarding one manager not doing anything special in comparison despite winning 4 league championships in a row?
 
The only problem (for those that want Benitez) is that there doesn't appear to be any noises from Spurs, the press or Rafa himself that:

a) we want him for the job
or
b) he wants the job.
 
Rossi22 said:
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:ross: =D>
 
Kingdawson said:
Rossi's post pretty much sums everything up :ross:
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well no it doesn't sum anything up does it? all it does is show how limited his argument for why Benitez should be manager is and also shows a little bit of contradiction with his line that people are stupid to want De Boer based on little more than what he has won, without looking deeper in to what makes him tick as a manager.
 
my mistake, i heard it on the football ramble but i assume they were talking about carragher and zenden's quotes in the press
 
billyiddo said:
well no it doesn't sum anything up does it? all it does is show how limited his argument for why Benitez should be manager is and also shows a little bit of contradiction with his line that people are stupid to want De Boer based on little more than what he has won, without looking deeper in to what makes him tick as a manager.
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I have no argument. I'm all in on Frank now, I think it was the scarf that finally did it for me.

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billyiddo said:
well no it doesn't sum anything up does it? all it does is show how limited his argument for why Benitez should be manager is and also shows a little bit of contradiction with his line that people are stupid to want De Boer based on little more than what he has won, without looking deeper in to what makes him tick as a manager.
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Well, it shows he's won wherever he's been. He doesn't seem to have too many failures from his career that I can see, they fooking hated him at Cheatski and he still won. I think that's a pretty strong argument for why he'd be a good bet, a lower risk bet.

Agree that writing off Franky's 4 in a row doesn't quite stack up, but in fairness it is all at a big club in a lesser league, if that's not too unkind. I think he'd be a decent bet too but perhaps with more risk than FSW.
 
For me, we need a manager who can get a team playing above their level. Our level based on wages is 6th place, no?

I feel Benitez has done this with Valencia (titles), Liverpool (CL) and Napoli (cup) - I wouldn't have thought that any of those teams were favourites for those trophies. You could even include what he did at Chelsea based on the fans making it difficult for him.

Does anyone know if Poch finished higher in the league than Espanyol/Soton's expected level (based on wages)?

FdB has won 4 titles, but I'm guessing Ajax were favourites every time. What worries me is he hasn't done it in europe - surely a decent manager would outsmart better teams, a bit like Basel/Benfica have been doing recently?

I also think we need PL experience after last season's transfer dealings, otherwise we're dangerously close to making the same mistake twice.
 
Southampton's wages were the 3rd lowest in their first season in the PL and I really doubt that that jumped to 8th in their second season.

There's a lot of hindsight with him now as well imo. Of course he finished 8th, look at the players he had! Look at the competition!

As if people on this board were en masse predicting they would finish 8th in his 2nd season when he took over or that they thought Rodriguez/ Lallana/ Schneiderlein/ Lambert/ Ward- Prowse etc would look so good.

Ajax hadn't won the league in 7 years, then win 4 times in a row. I don't know as much about FDB as others but winning son consistently, regardless of how good the squad is, is always an acheievement.
 
Ok just in the door sorry for any crap earlier its quite difficult posting from my phone as well apparently its weird and I have to type things twice and it moves my text about so the last word I type inserts itself about 4 words back weird or what any way first glance and thi is probably a little bit more eloquently put than I could so my first copy and paste well actually its a link :-"

http://www.totaltottenham.com/blogs/frank-de-boer-the-ideal-man-to-solve-spurs-problems/#comments

not sure if that's worked but at least it shows a lot of background and for those that love them there's even some fabled stats 8-[
 
LemonadeMoney said:
For me, we need a manager who can get a team playing above their level. Our level based on wages is 6th place, no?

I feel Benitez has done this with Valencia (titles), Liverpool (CL) and Napoli (cup) - I wouldn't have thought that any of those teams were favourites for those trophies. You could even include what he did at Chelsea based on the fans making it difficult for him.
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the CL win at Liverpool is a great achievement of course, no denying that - however after Ramos and more recently AVB id be inclined not to rate managers purely on their cup successes at previous clubs. Valencia as mentioned earlier spent vast sums of money whilst he was in charge and were fortunate to be competing in La Liga at a time when Barca were floundering around the bottom half of the table. Napoli are probably the 3rd best side in Italy the last few years prior to his arrival and he has once again spent heavily and only really maintained that 3rd place status quo. Liverpool were big spenders and after several years he left them in a far worse state than when he took them on - had them in the top 4 places whilst they were 2nd/3rd highest spenders. so i don't think he has really shown himself able to get clubs punching above their weight - certainly not without massive financial outlay in the transfer market.

his record isn't as cut and dry when you start to look at it from a critical angle

i remember people pulling apart a far more impressive LvGs record and im sure should the likes of Mancini or Capello also be linked they'd suffer the same critical analysis
 
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