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The Centre Forward thread

braineclipse said:
Poor end to the season. 28 years old. Would be rather expensive even with the contract situation.

More likely than Watkins. At his best no doubt he's a really good footballer. Think he would fit the system well. But think our typical approach would be going for someone younger. If we do go for him I think it will be because that's who Ange really wants.
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The fee is rumoured to be £40m
Is that expensive for a guy who is proven?
 
Will be interesting to see what happens on the striker front.

If we go for a clear first choice player I think it should probably be with a plan to sell Richarlison. He's 27, his value will only go down if he's backup for a year and I don't think he'll be particularly happy here a year from now if he ends up with a backup/rotation role.

I also think it's an option to bring in someone to compete with Richarlison. Ideally someone a bit younger, with top level potential. But even a cheaper "option" type solution would be useful. Certainly would have been useful in the last couple of months with Richarlison out injured.

Richarlison did well this season when given a run of games and he was fit and ready.
 
Kandi1977 said:
He's 28, and apart from this season, he's never scored more than 11 in a season in Germany and France. His record is 28, 11, 9, 10, 9, 3. Didn't even get a 1 in 4 ratio in the 2nd Bundesliga
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Definitely would be quite a bit of uncertainty with a signing like that.

Interestingly he hasn't massively outperformed his xG. Outperformed xG by 4.5 in the league this season. 4 of his goals from penalties. So even excluding penalties and adjusting for xG overperformance that's a really solid season. More about the kind of chances he's getting this season it would seem.

Would we be able to provide him with similar type chances with a similar frequency in the PL? Not so sure. But he seems to thrive on crosses and balls in behind which should be a good fit.

Toney would be a safer bet imo. But also a more expensive one. Doubt we'll go for Guirassy.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Ivan Toney has scored 4 league goals since he came back from his ban, somehow I expected better. 36 league goals in two and a half season, I am not impressed.
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I think he's a bit overrated tbh. You could argue his lack of goals could be explained by his lengthy absence or even a lack of motivation due to him leaving but I've never been convinced he's an £80m value striker. I just don't see it in him tbh.
 
parklane1 said:
You are probably right [SADLY]. As for Watkins i am not sure to be honest he has has a very good season but his previous ones were [imo] nothing special and he will be 29 before the year ends so i think i would rather go for younger.
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I'm not sure I fully agree with you there. He has had one season in the last 6 years that hasn't been great (and even that wasn't so bad)
18/19 - 18 goals and assists (Championship)
19/20 - 28 goals and assists (Championship)
20/21 - 19 goals and assists (Premier League)
21/22 - 13 goals and assists (Premier League)
22/23 - 21 goals and assists (Premier League)
23/24 - 32 goals and assists (Premier League)

Not just good numbers but consistently good numbers. I do agree though that we probably need to be thinking about somebody younger than him seeing as we will have a limited budget and have perhaps as many as 3 first team players to find and 2 or 3 competition/cover players to find.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'm not sure I fully agree with you there. He has had one season in the last 6 years that hasn't been great (and even that wasn't so bad)
18/19 - 18 goals and assists (Championship)
19/20 - 28 goals and assists (Championship)
20/21 - 19 goals and assists (Premier League)
21/22 - 13 goals and assists (Premier League)
22/23 - 21 goals and assists (Premier League)
23/24 - 32 goals and assists (Premier League)

Not just good numbers but consistently good numbers. I do agree though that we probably need to be thinking about somebody younger than him seeing as we will have a limited budget and have perhaps as many as 3 first team players to find and 2 or 3 competition/cover players to find.
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He would be brilliant in this system but we need younger or cheaper
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'm not sure I fully agree with you there. He has had one season in the last 6 years that hasn't been great (and even that wasn't so bad)
18/19 - 18 goals and assists (Championship)
19/20 - 28 goals and assists (Championship)
20/21 - 19 goals and assists (Premier League)
21/22 - 13 goals and assists (Premier League)
22/23 - 21 goals and assists (Premier League)
23/24 - 32 goals and assists (Premier League)

Not just good numbers but consistently good numbers. I do agree though that we probably need to be thinking about somebody younger than him seeing as we will have a limited budget and have perhaps as many as 3 first team players to find and 2 or 3 competition/cover players to find.
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As you say its not bad numbers that he has put up but not for me still, his age is against him to start with and i would think we could do better.
 
Bishop said:
I think he's a bit overrated tbh. You could argue his lack of goals could be explained by his lengthy absence or even a lack of motivation due to him leaving but I've never been convinced he's an £80m value striker. I just don't see it in him tbh.
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I watched him quite closely in Brentford's game at our stadium this season and thought he was very good. Really gave our two at the back a hard time. Has everything needed to play as a number 9 for any team IMO.

I have seen a few suggestions in places that he could only play for a counter attacking team 'would be like Darren Bent all over again'. That is the opposite of what I think, I think Toney would be an even better player in a possession based team that dominates. He is not about using his pace to get in behind on the counter attack and he has bags of confidence.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I watched him quite closely in Brentford's game at our stadium this season and thought he was very good. Really gave our two at the back a hard time. Has everything needed to play as a number 9 for any team IMO.

I have seen a few suggestions in places that he could only play for a counter attacking team 'would be like Darren Bent all over again'. That is the opposite of what I think, I think Toney would be an even better player in a possession based team that dominates. He is not about using his pace to get in behind on the counter attack and he has bags of confidence.
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I think he's a good player, just not sure he's quite the level some have rated him at. 80m seems a bit of premium for him to me, especially considering his age and contract situation. Kane was only 20m more and I think the gap is bigger than that.
 
Bishop said:
I think he's a good player, just not sure he's quite the level some have rated him at. 80m seems a bit of premium for him to me, especially considering his age and contract situation. Kane was only 20m more and I think the gap is bigger than that.
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It won’t be £80m

It will be Maddison levels of fee IMO as the circumstances are quite similar contractually

That is of we want him
 
Finney Is Back said:
I watched him quite closely in Brentford's game at our stadium this season and thought he was very good. Really gave our two at the back a hard time. Has everything needed to play as a number 9 for any team IMO.

I have seen a few suggestions in places that he could only play for a counter attacking team 'would be like Darren Bent all over again'. That is the opposite of what I think, I think Toney would be an even better player in a possession based team that dominates. He is not about using his pace to get in behind on the counter attack and he has bags of confidence.
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I got a similar good impression at that game, he won most headers against Romero
 
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