Team Baldini vs Team Timmeh - power struggle

[Jordinho]

Having read this thread I am pleased that people seem to be realising that Mr Levy really is a dumbass on the football side of things. Tick Tock

Guys.. Baldini is still only there to provide Daniel Levy yet another shield before the shovel of **** lands on his doorstep.

He really isn't though. You won't find many chairmen with a better understanding of how to run a football club. People come and go all the time at every club, we're no worse than others. What's important is to avoid having to start from scratch every time, which is why he doesn't simply hire a manager and lets him spend freely to assemble his own team.

 

[Notmegov]

Levy and Baldini looked like they where getting on just fine the other night on TV, both ****ging of the **** Distribution from the goal keeper.

 

[milo]

gotta wonder why baldini offered to resign after AVB...could he have been in agreement with AVB on the need for more signings (that weren't coming)? could he have tried to veto sherwoods appointment?

whatever it is, levy has messed up again.

See the link to the Guardian podcast on page 2.

Baldini has made a habit of offering his resignation when a manager departs throughout his career. I assume that it is a point of principle thing.

 

[milo]

So I take it you think this story in the media as posted by the OP is complete BS? If so, where do you think it came from?

It could easily have originated on a forum or social media.

I'd recommend reading Flat Earth News to anyone who wants to get a better idea of how little time journalists have to check sources these days and often have no choice but to recycle crap to file copy

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0099512688

 

[milo]

It is never a good idea to believe a story just because it reinforces your prejudices. The fact that there are no quotes, no named sources and is pretty short, so probably filler, should be enough to get most peoples' spidey sense tingling. It could turn out to be true but for now I would be highly sceptical of its reliability.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

It is never a good idea to believe a story just because it reinforces your prejudices. The fact that there are no quotes, no named sources and is pretty short, so probably filler, should be enough to get most peoples' spidey sense tingling. It could turn out to be true but for now I would be highly sceptical of its reliability.

There were no quotes in all the stories coming out around a month ago - the club considering Hoddle, AVB under serious pressure, people on the board didn't rate him, but all those whispers ultimately had some basis. I believe there is some truth to this, whether it's a Tim political leak or whether there genuinely is an argument developing...I believe there is some smoke there.

 

[Kingdawson]

There were no quotes in all the stories coming out around a month ago - the club considering Hoddle, AVB under serious pressure, people on the board didn't rate him, but all those whispers ultimately had some basis. I want there to be some some truth to this, whether it's a Tim political leak or whether there genuinely is an argument developing...I genuinely hope there is some smoke there.

Fixed.

 

[milo]

There were no quotes in all the stories coming out around a month ago - the club considering Hoddle, AVB under serious pressure, people on the board didn't rate him, but all those whispers ultimately had some basis. I believe there is some truth to this, whether it's a Tim political leak or whether there genuinely is an argument developing...I believe there is some smoke there.

It is still right to be sceptical.

I really would recommend reading Flat Earth News. You'd see that there is frequently smoke without fire. Newspapers are run on a shoestring budget these days and journalists just do not have the time to check out stories properly.

We've all seen bull**** stories from message boards turn up in newspapers. This could easily be one of those.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I really can't believe that the story is coming from Sherwood.

If a bunch of keyboard warriors like us were clever enough to figure that out, wouldn't Levy be able to do likewise? And for him to see the person who he's given the chance of a lifetime to try to dismantle his structure and undermine the club is surely not going to be good for Tim's employment chances at Spurs or in the future.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Fixed.

Why do you think I want it to be true?

 

[Lily White]

It is still right to be sceptical.

I really would recommend reading Flat Earth News. You'd see that there is frequently smoke without fire. Newspapers are run on a shoestring budget these days and journalists just do not have the time to check out stories properly.

We've all seen bull**** stories from message boards turn up in newspapers. This could easily be one of those.

We've seen it happen over transfer stories, someone on a forum or twitter makes up a rumour and the next day its in the papers. I can think of a couple of disgruntled 'fans' who would be willing to stir the ****. Always be sceptical until proof is provided.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

It is still right to be sceptical.

I really would recommend reading Flat Earth News. You'd see that there is frequently smoke without fire. Newspapers are run on a shoestring budget these days and journalists just do not have the time to check out stories properly.

We've all seen bull**** stories from message boards turn up in newspapers. This could easily be one of those.

I agree, that's why I dashed my post with a dollop of 'if true...'

But my personal opinion is that it's probably got some basis.

 

[milo]

I agree, that's why I dashed my post with a dollop of 'if true...'

But my personal opinion is that it's probably got some basis.

I think a key difference between this and the AVB stories last year is that this has only been reported in one place (so far) whereas the AVB story was widely reported and from more reputable sources. Before I would put much credence on this story, I would want to see similar stories (but not a simple rehash) in other media outlets and preferably someone worth listening to putting their name to it.

 

[stinkfoot]

I'll only start to really worry when Levy turns up for a game with a spurs shirt tucked into his tailored suit pants.

 

[braineclipse]

There were no quotes in all the stories coming out around a month ago - the club considering Hoddle, AVB under serious pressure, people on the board didn't rate him, but all those whispers ultimately had some basis. I believe there is some truth to this, whether it's a Tim political leak or whether there genuinely is an argument developing...I believe there is some smoke there.

Wasn't the AVB at risk rumours much more substantiated? No quotes, but there were news articles from much more reliable journalists and there had been talk of friction between AVB and other club employees for some time iirc.

Even if it had been a very similar situation for the sake of argument I don't see how one speculative article being right means that we should trust another speculative article. Even a broken watch is right twice a day and all that.

 

[Pirate55]

Wasn't the AVB at risk rumours much more substantiated? No quotes, but there were news articles from much more reliable journalists and there had been talk of friction between AVB and other club employees for some time iirc.

Even if it had been a very similar situation for the sake of argument I don't see how one speculative article being right means that we should trust another speculative article. Even a broken watch is right twice a day and all that.

Agreed. It seems to me if it suits people's agendas they will believe it, if it doesn't they will dismiss it. At this point, no one can be sure what the TRUTH of the matter really is unless you are one the inside. Healthy scepticism is required.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

I've honestly come to the conclusion that Levy has a DoF in place becuase it makes it easier for him to manipulate things/sack the manager without any blame.

 

[AdamB]

Maybe its something he brings from the world of business. Rival departments in internal competition with each other etc.

Thats complete rubbbish

 

[milo]

I've honestly come to the conclusion that Levy has a DoF in place becuase it makes it easier for him to manipulate things/sack the manager without any blame.

Most Premier League clubs have something similar to a DoF in place now. There is just too much for just a manager to do.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Most Premier League clubs have something similar to a DoF in place now. There is just too much for just a manager to do.

This is true. I do think Levy takes advantage of it (for his own selfish benifit) in a way that most others don't though.

Think about it, using Ade as an example. DoF reports to Levy, Levy says to DoF, I want Ade in the team, we are paying him too much money to be training with the youth team. DoF, knowing which side his bread is buttered on then puts this to the manager. Manager says no. DoF responds, Daniel wants this too. Automatically 2 against 1, every time. Unless the DoF employed actually has some balls (I've no idea if Baldini does or not).

Levy decided to sack AVB. The majority of reports in the paper were about how Baldini signed players AVB did not want. Not that Levy overuled his manager in favour of a DoF because at the end of the day, he signs the cheques. This is assuming that all that business about AVB not wanting certain players is actually true of course (I still have my doubts), but the principle still stands with regard to other things.