JerusalemMan
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Donley will surely be loaned out this seasonBack Donely for that role and spend all out funds on the best RWF we can get
Donley will surely be loaned out this seasonBack Donely for that role and spend all out funds on the best RWF we can get
Donley will surely be loaned out this season
It depends on which stats you're trying to use. His successful takeones were at the 28th percentile (very low), so while he might not get disposed often he very rarely beats his defender. Partially because he doesn't even attempt to and when he does he fails the majority of the time.Lol…. Of course it is!
Also from what I can tell Ange’s tactics are not to keep a team penned in. He seems to favour transitions.
Also, as an FYI. Johnson was 89th percentile for miscontrols and 92nd percentile for ‘dispossessed’ so doesn’t really back up your theory about him losing the ball.
The shoe creating doesn’t work unless your passing to someoneIt depends on which stats you're trying to use. His successful takeones were at the 28th percentile (very low), so while he might not get disposed often he very rarely beats his defender. Partially because he doesn't even attempt to and when he does he fails the majority of the time.
His shot creating actions are also at the 25th percentile which supports my argument that what he actual himself does is not what leads to the assists and rather his assists and xA are a product of the system rather than his individual play.
That's intersting because Porro is in the 88th percentile for Shot creating actions despite the same striker/lack of striker.The shoe creating doesn’t work unless your passing to someone
When your CF is actually marooned in midfield … the stat doesn’t work
The shoe creating doesn’t work unless your passing to someone
When your CF is actually marooned in midfield … the stat doesn’t work
That's intersting because Porro is in the 88th percentile for Shot creating actions despite the same striker/lack of striker.
Udogie is at 49th percentile so it isn't a case of the system favouring FBs over wingers. It's just the actual qualities of the the players specifically that we are seeing with this individual stat. Kulu who the majority feel had a poor season (I agree) largely playing the same RWF position was in the 63rd percentile for the the shot creating actions so I'm not sure I can buy the argument that a lack of a striker leads to Johnson's low numbers in this area. Even Werner who I don't rate was at the 46th percentile.
Now before you say well wingers don't get good numbers in this stat. Some comparisons.
Mbuemo (injured half of last season) 54th percentile
Bowen 63rd percentile
Saka 91st percentile
Olisse 93rd percentile
Doku 98th Percentile
Leon Bailey 93rd percentile
And Nico Williams82 percentile.
Thanks for that and that makes sense. Johnson is low compared to his direct team mates (Werner, Kulu, Son etc) and low relative to other players across the league in the same position.Not disagreeing you. But just for clarification. The percentile stats are usually compared to other players, playing in the same position. In the top leagues in europe.
I would much rather a player had higher goal creating actions and a high XA number than a high number merely for shot creating actions. It shows that they deliver balls into dangerous areas that are likely to result in a goal.It depends on which stats you're trying to use. His successful takeones were at the 28th percentile (very low), so while he might not get disposed often he very rarely beats his defender. Partially because he doesn't even attempt to and when he does he fails the majority of the time.
His shot creating actions are also at the 25th percentile which supports my argument that what he actual himself does is not what leads to the assists and rather his assists and xA are a product of the system rather than his individual play.
And look who they are supplyingThat's intersting because Porro is in the 88th percentile for Shot creating actions despite the same striker/lack of striker.
Udogie is at 49th percentile so it isn't a case of the system favouring FBs over wingers. It's just the actual qualities of the the players specifically that we are seeing with this individual stat. Kulu who the majority feel had a poor season (I agree) largely playing the same RWF position was in the 63rd percentile for the the shot creating actions so I'm not sure I can buy the argument that a lack of a striker leads to Johnson's low numbers in this area. Even Werner who I don't rate was at the 46th percentile.
Now before you say well wingers don't get good numbers in this stat. Some comparisons.
Mbuemo (injured half of last season) 54th percentile
Bowen 63rd percentile
Saka 91st percentile
Olisse 93rd percentile
Doku 98th Percentile
Leon Bailey 93rd percentile
And Nico Williams82 percentile.
I think there is an argument to be made that yes any reasonably competent wide player would get goals and assists in our system. The system puts a big emphasis on the attack and numbers of players being in specific areas in specific automations.I would much rather a player had higher goal creating actions and a high XA number than a high number merely for shot creating actions. It shows that they deliver balls into dangerous areas that are likely to result in a goal.
By your analogy we could just play anyone right wing and they would have 15+ goals and assists a season in the PL.
Fully agree about the systemI think there is an argument to be made that yes any reasonably competent wide player would get goals and assists in our system. The system puts a big emphasis on the attack and numbers of players being in specific areas in specific automations.
All I'm saying is imagine a player player better than Werner and Johnson at successfully taking their man on and creating shot actions. They would have more opportunities to deliver balls into dangerous areas. Neither player are good in those areas, not to my eye nor now when you've made me look at the stats.
I've never seen a number of assists as a proof of creativity. It's a sign of efficiency and possibly final third quality. Assists don't tell us the what part the player played in the creation of the attack or the ingenuity if any involved. Nor do they tell us how important they well to the very generation of the goal beyond the fact they played the final pass. We've all seen goals where the assist itself is a much smaller part in the creation of a goal. So for me and assist alone doesn't prove or disprove creativity. You need to watch the play see what part they actually played, how difficult was their role etc.And look who they are supplying
They had a target To hit
They had Watkins who scored,
they had mateta (check the xg chain stats) for palace and Olise
Haaland, Haivertz amongst others
Not sure who bowen was hitting TBH
Isn’t Porros and Udogies percentile based on defenders?
kulu played as many game centrally as he did wide
I’d fully expect wingers to get good numbers… it’s huge part of their job. Passing to others. But is the others are in the wrong place… it falls down.
Saw it with Werner and Johnson loads. Also saw son making runs and midfield not even passing. Basics
This shows the guys creative…
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I think we have to remember that he is only 23 and still growing as a player, now i am not saying he will ever be a world beater but i do believe he is still growing/maturing as a player and i do expect he will improve as he get older.
Shot creating action means very little IMO…. A pass to a player who then has a low probability shot from outside the box isn’t something I would care about. Expected assists is a great metric as it details good quality chances.I've never seen a number of assists as a proof of creativity. It's a sign of efficiency and possibly final third quality. Assists don't tell us the what part the player played in the creation of the attack or the ingenuity if any involved. Nor do they tell us how important they well to the very generation of the goal beyond the fact they played the final pass. We've all seen goals where the assist itself is a much smaller part in the creation of a goal. So for me and assist alone doesn't prove or disprove creativity. You need to watch the play see what part they actually played, how difficult was their role etc.
You're stretching thing regarding the striker issue again. Havetz played as a False 9 and occupied the box even less than Son did, yet Saka for the SCA that he did. Johnson lack of takeones and low SCA is not due to Son, Richarlison or anyone else. That's his game, that how he plays.
I said I think he can improve but I think he needs to I prove to ultimately justify his position in an ever improving and demanding squad.
I just used haivertzI've never seen a number of assists as a proof of creativity. It's a sign of efficiency and possibly final third quality. Assists don't tell us the what part the player played in the creation of the attack or the ingenuity if any involved. Nor do they tell us how important they well to the very generation of the goal beyond the fact they played the final pass. We've all seen goals where the assist itself is a much smaller part in the creation of a goal. So for me and assist alone doesn't prove or disprove creativity. You need to watch the play see what part they actually played, how difficult was their role etc.
You're stretching thing regarding the striker issue again. Havetz played as a False 9 and occupied the box even less than Son did, yet Saka for the SCA that he did. Johnson lack of takeones and low SCA is not due to Son, Richarlison or anyone else. That's his game, that how he plays.
I said I think he can improve but I think he needs to I prove to ultimately justify his position in an ever improving and demanding squad.
Son’s heat map, the guy’s allergic to the 6 yard box!I've never seen a number of assists as a proof of creativity. It's a sign of efficiency and possibly final third quality. Assists don't tell us the what part the player played in the creation of the attack or the ingenuity if any involved. Nor do they tell us how important they well to the very generation of the goal beyond the fact they played the final pass. We've all seen goals where the assist itself is a much smaller part in the creation of a goal. So for me and assist alone doesn't prove or disprove creativity. You need to watch the play see what part they actually played, how difficult was their role etc.
You're stretching thing regarding the striker issue again. Havetz played as a False 9 and occupied the box even less than Son did, yet Saka for the SCA that he did. Johnson lack of takeones and low SCA is not due to Son, Richarlison or anyone else. That's his game, that how he plays.
I said I think he can improve but I think he needs to I prove to ultimately justify his position in an ever improving and demanding squad.
Unless it’s son outside the box and in space.. that’s a great chanceShot creating action means very little IMO…. A pass to a player who then has a low probability shot from outside the box isn’t something I would care about. Expected assists is a great metric as it details good quality chances.
Expected assists just details who played the last pass and the likely hood of that being a good chance. Which again for me is more about the system we play as opposed to the individual creativity or ingenuity of Johnson in particular.o Johnson is ok in the system, but a better quality of player in terms of takeones especially would likely significantly increase the number of chances created and that's my point. We have two of lowest wide playersShot creating action means very little IMO…. A pass to a player who then has a low probability shot from outside the box isn’t something I would care about. Expected assists is a great metric as it details good quality chances.
Dunno why it was showing just one game, here is his PL season. More box action but its not that dissimilar to Son and not enough to go from 93rd percentile sca to 25th percentile.Son’s heat map, the guy’s allergic to the 6 yard box!
I imagine his heat map looks like that because he played a fair few games on the left. Have to admit I’m surprised by Havertz, the few times I watched Arsenal he seemed a lot more central but this graphic suggests otherwise. Do you have his full season map similar to Son? This one shows just 1 game