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Putin & Russia

Baleforce said:
Surely the most likely scenario is that Putin gets overthrown and Russia have a proper democracy, that is welcomed into the international community with open arms.
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It nearly happened in the 90s too. It was just a combination of Russian national sadism (comfort in being oppressed by a cruel dictator) and Yeltin's drunkenness (bad experience of liberal democracy) that seemed to thwart it.
 
SpurMeUp said:
If you’re young and on western social media you would. But imagine you’d planned to get a bed from IKEA this weekend for your kid, you weren’t on international social media, and your wife had just been laid off by the international company she worked for. Would you side with the west?
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I go to IKEA, it’s shut, they’ve pulled out of Russia, they are Swedish, Swedish people are the most cool and laid back people on the planet, why would they side with Ukrainian Nazi’s I’d think…

Oh.

Surely “western company” would explain the reason for laying my wife off too?

I now have two sources suggesting my leader is lying to me.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Age and whether you use international social media is probably the greatest determinate of how informed you are. But people who were quite against Putins actions, are starting to feel some sympathy and kinship. Because their simple lives are also being attacked. You would probably feel the same if there were mass job losses, and things you'd taken for granted were taken away from you through no actions you had taken.
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Different people will react in different ways. Definitely some will end up more supportive of Putin from all this, but that would also be the case without sanctions.

I struggle to see an alternative.
 
Baleforce said:
I go to IKEA, it’s shut, they’ve pulled out of Russia, they are Swedish, Swedish people are the most cool and laid back people on the planet, why would they side with Ukrainian Nazi’s I’d think…

Oh.

Surely “western company” would explain the reason for laying my wife off too?

I now have two sources suggesting my leader is lying to me.
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Your wife’s lost her job, you can’t buy a new bed for your kid and you’re not exposed to free media (if such a thing exists). Easy to be blasé from our position, quite different if you’re the one who’d been abandoned by the west.
 
braineclipse said:
Different people will react in different ways. Definitely some will end up more supportive of Putin from all this, but that would also be the case without sanctions.

I struggle to see an alternative.
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Scara outlined it. Extremely simple just stop buying Russian gas.

you could add oil, steel and stop large transactions as well. That way you get at the elite without punishing the people and driving them towards Putins narrative
 
SpurMeUp said:
Your wife’s lost her job, you can’t buy a new bed for your kid and you’re not exposed to free media (if such a thing exists). Easy to be blasé from our position, quite different if you’re the one who’d been abandoned by the west.
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I think many of the Western companies are continuing to pay their employees in Russia even after closing their stores. Now when a Western company is closing in Russia but continuing to pay you, the Russian that worked there even though you don't have to work I would've thought that would do anything but make a Russian person feel as though they had been abandoned by the West and instead make them inquisitive for knowledge from external sources.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think many of the Western companies are continuing to pay their employees in Russia even after closing their stores. Now when a Western company is closing in Russia but continuing to pay you, the Russian that worked there even though you don't have to work I would've thought that would do anything but make a Russian person feel as though they had been abandoned by the West and instead make them inquisitive for knowledge from external sources.
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There is going to be communication too, they will be told exactly what is going on when told the location is being closed.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think many of the Western companies are continuing to pay their employees in Russia even after closing their stores. Now when a Western company is closing in Russia but continuing to pay you, the Russian that worked there even though you don't have to work I would've thought that would do anything but make a Russian person feel as though they had been abandoned by the West and instead make them inquisitive for knowledge from external sources.
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not sure about that. The prospects for Russians is pretty glum. Finding a job is far from easy and while some may pay staff for a short time how long will that continue? On top of that you’re watching your boys being shot down by nato arms, taking lives.

Same time on social media you’re seeing people criticise the west for invading Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq not to mention the Saudis in Yemen… yet the response to Russia they say is completely off the scale in comparison.

All I’m showing is there are two sides and two perspectives. And rather than take the Russian people with, we’ve probably strengthen Putin a little in the last week.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think many of the Western companies are continuing to pay their employees in Russia even after closing their stores. Now when a Western company is closing in Russia but continuing to pay you, the Russian that worked there even though you don't have to work I would've thought that would do anything but make a Russian person feel as though they had been abandoned by the West and instead make them inquisitive for knowledge from external sources.
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If they are paying in roubles it is getting cheaper by the day.
 
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