Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
yes, I should imagine it's a massive chunk bearing in mind the clusterfudge it's been so far
we have creationists with influence now for example
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yes, I should imagine it's a massive chunk bearing in mind the clusterfudge it's been so far
we have creationists with influence now for example
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
A few days ago the British Attitudes Survey (NatCen, 2,942 people) put support for Leave now at 76%
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Loving that interview earlier with the Italian who said that all EU countries will be forced to be in the euro by 2020 and that the EU will want to have control over national taxes.
Hahaha. So many people slagging off anyone who voted out as racist and what we all warned about is happening. I hate the EU yes that is right I hate it, but I have a lot of love and time for the different people and countries in Europe and I really do feel sorry for them for what their future holds.
We were the first we will not be the last, I am amazed that they do not learn in Brussels. Yes the UK is the most anti the EU but it is not like it is an insignificant number in other countries that have an issue with it, and those numbers will rise as the gangsters in Brussels go on their power grab.
Hahaha. So many people slagging off anyone who voted out as racist and what we all warned about is happening. I hate the EU yes that is right I hate it, but I have a lot of love and time for the different people and countries in Europe and I really do feel sorry for them for what their future holds.
We were the first we will not be the last, I am amazed that they do not learn in Brussels. Yes the UK is the most anti the EU but it is not like it is an insignificant number in other countries that have an issue with it, and those numbers will rise as the gangsters in Brussels go on their power grab.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Really think we should be walking out of negotiations if they insist on calling it a divorce settlement. It is the end of a contract that a prime minister who had just lost an election signed, we also out of respect for the EU give up our seat in residency as we are leaving and were not wanting to disrupt their plans, a sense of fair play they have not shown us.
Perhaps as it is obvious they will revert to world trade tariffs we should sign those free trade agreements with other countries now and stop all those little englanders who do not want us to trade with the rest of the world.
Perhaps as it is obvious they will revert to world trade tariffs we should sign those free trade agreements with other countries now and stop all those little englanders who do not want us to trade with the rest of the world.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Secession is better than divorce. It captures the escape from colonialism spirit a bit better
Or if it is a divorce, we should be asking for Denmark, Sweden, Malta and Holland as part of the break-up
Or if it is a divorce, we should be asking for Denmark, Sweden, Malta and Holland as part of the break-up
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
They can keep Malta it is a brick hole though my view of it is soured by the worse case of food poisoning I have ever had.
Is Finland in the EU i miss my old Nokia phone so would like them.
Is Finland in the EU i miss my old Nokia phone so would like them.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lift-1-ceiling-on-public-sector-pay-increases
Boris Johnson has waded into the escalating cabinet row over public-sector pay, throwing his weight behind calls for the 1% ceiling on wage rises to be lifted for austerity-weary workers including nurses and teachers...
Johnson believes the message on doorsteps was that pay and public services are pressing issues, a view shared by an increasingly vocal group of Tory backbenchers, including South Cambridgeshire’s MP, Heidi Allen, the former GP Sarah Wollaston and the MP for Plymouth Moor View, Johnny Mercer.
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And yet none of them voted for Labour's amendment (to the queens speech) to scrap the 1% pay cap, just a few days ago. I hate these Tory w@nkers and these are the worst sort, the sort that say "It's terrible isn't it?" and then vote along with the government anyway. Qunts.
Boris Johnson has waded into the escalating cabinet row over public-sector pay, throwing his weight behind calls for the 1% ceiling on wage rises to be lifted for austerity-weary workers including nurses and teachers...
Johnson believes the message on doorsteps was that pay and public services are pressing issues, a view shared by an increasingly vocal group of Tory backbenchers, including South Cambridgeshire’s MP, Heidi Allen, the former GP Sarah Wollaston and the MP for Plymouth Moor View, Johnny Mercer.
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And yet none of them voted for Labour's amendment (to the queens speech) to scrap the 1% pay cap, just a few days ago. I hate these Tory w@nkers and these are the worst sort, the sort that say "It's terrible isn't it?" and then vote along with the government anyway. Qunts.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If they'd scrapped the cap, it would have applied to all 6m public sector workers. Every local council 'Senior Adviser Internet Marketing Evangelist’ and NHS 'Business Solutions Architect’. A Guardian-readers' windfall
Doing it piecemeal means they can specifically target frontline staff.
Is this Tory policy now, or did you pull it our of your arse like almost everything else you post on here?
StephenH
David Ginola
Front line staff like NHS lab technicians, council occupational therapists and social workers.
StephenH
David Ginola
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Just applying logic to why they didn't vote for the cap lift, but are now briefing for it relating specifically groups such as nurses and emergency services workers
If they'd lifted the cap, every £150k town hall fat cat and head teacher would have been demanding 20% rises, backdating pay rises for the last decade. The unions would have a field day. The government agreed to loads of big backdated rises like that around 2006.
This way just gives them more flexibility to target it to groups where there's particular political spotlight/public support.
Ahh, I see -- that must be why these 'rebel' Tories forced the government to amend the queens speech so as to lift the pay cap for say, Nurses and Firefighters specifically. And then everyone voted it through. Right?
Or maybe, they voted for the pay cap, don't give a sh1t if nurses are paid any more but want to pay lip service to it to show that they aren't part of the Theresa May sh1tshow. However, they are and the faux concern of opportunists like Johnson will be seen as the bullsh1t that it is.
Surely its the same issue - they will still be having these arguments.
Out of interest you still think Corbyn said he would backdate Tution fees - if so anything other than the NME article that did not say this to make you so certain?
Meanwhile:
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ing-uk-profession-than-joining-figures-reveal
More midwives and nurses are leaving the profession in the UK than joining for the first time on record, with the number departing having risen by 51% in just four years.
The figures, which will add to concerns about NHS staff shortages, show that 20% more people left the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) register than joined it in 2016/17. The overall number of leavers was 34,941, compared with 23,087 in 2012/13.
While concerns have previously been raised about a large drop in EU registrants in the wake of the Brexit vote, the NMC figures, published on Monday, show that it is the departure of UK nurses – who make up 85% of the register – that is having the biggest impact.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ing-uk-profession-than-joining-figures-reveal
More midwives and nurses are leaving the profession in the UK than joining for the first time on record, with the number departing having risen by 51% in just four years.
The figures, which will add to concerns about NHS staff shortages, show that 20% more people left the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) register than joined it in 2016/17. The overall number of leavers was 34,941, compared with 23,087 in 2012/13.
While concerns have previously been raised about a large drop in EU registrants in the wake of the Brexit vote, the NMC figures, published on Monday, show that it is the departure of UK nurses – who make up 85% of the register – that is having the biggest impact.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
QUOTE="the dza, post: 935759, member: 2736"]Ahh, I see -- that must be why these 'rebel' Tories forced the government to amend the queens speech so as to lift the pay cap for say, Nurses and Firefighters specifically. And then everyone voted it through. Right?
Or maybe, they voted for the pay cap, don't give a sh1t if nurses are paid any more but want to pay lip service to it to show that they aren't part of the Theresa May sh1tshow. However, they are and the faux concern of opportunists like Johnson will be seen as the bullsh1t that it is.[/QUOTE]
Don't you just love the 'logic' behind this? Allow a couple of public service groups a pay rise and sod all for the rest. Creating a 1st and 2nd class order of workers. Typical Tory divide and rule tactic. Cnuts!
Or maybe, they voted for the pay cap, don't give a sh1t if nurses are paid any more but want to pay lip service to it to show that they aren't part of the Theresa May sh1tshow. However, they are and the faux concern of opportunists like Johnson will be seen as the bullsh1t that it is.[/QUOTE]
Don't you just love the 'logic' behind this? Allow a couple of public service groups a pay rise and sod all for the rest. Creating a 1st and 2nd class order of workers. Typical Tory divide and rule tactic. Cnuts!
My point was, they haven't even done that though -- they could have forced the government to remove the cap for 'deserving' parts of the public sector as they saw it, but Johnson and Heidi Caresalot et al. didn't even do that, they just voted with the government 1% pay cap for all public sector, and then do a bit of virtue signalling after the event.
"It's not like we can do anything, we only have key votes in a minority government!" -- some lying Tory tw@t.
I think it's a bit soon to say that the intent wasn't there. There's no way the Queen's Speech could have had that level of policy nuance. So whether the intent is to increase some pay or not, it wouldn't have been in the speech.
I actually doubt there's any intent to increase pay, but if there was, there wouldn't be any difference at this point between what we would have then and what we have now.
Why not? A piece of tinkle. Just add something like:
"My government will end the 1 % pay cap for frontline NHS staff and police." Johnson etc could have forced May to include that if they really wanted to.
It's not really any more nuanced than:
The National Living Wage will be increased so that people who are on the lowest pay benefit from the same improvements in earnings as higher paid workers. My ministers will seek to enhance rights and protections in the modern workplace.
Which was actually in the Queen's Speech.
It is a lot easier, yes.
The NLW is something that has been debated and defined in law. "Frontline staff" is not and has not. It's incredibly open to interpretation and disagreement.
The Queen's Speech needs to be simpler than that - especially when running a tiny majority. You can't afford for items or language that are open to interpretation or discussion because you have to guarantee it passes.