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r-u-s-x said:
Most of the crown estate goes back to the treasury does it not (as it should) -

The £328.8m sum generated in 2016-17 is an 8.1pc rise from last year, meaning the Queen will receive £82.2m to fund her official work in the Sovereign Grant in two years’ time.

The figure will be a year-on-year increase of £6m, under a system which sees the bulk of Crown Estate profits paid to the Treasury.

A quarter is returned to the Queen’s household, two years in arrears, to be spent on official travel, household salaries, and, over the next 10 years, a major refurbishment of Buckingham Palace.

The Crown Estate has now paid more than £2.6bn to the country’s coffers in the last decade, thanks in part to large swathes of valuable London real estate.
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Not having it, I think they take out more then they bring in, though hard to truly get a picture of it as the tourists love that brick. It is like the ridiculous notion that the Queen owns the shoreline so any money from wave turbine technology is hers. gonads, that money should be the governments first and foremost, now a lot of us on here will disagree how the government spend it.

But it is the countries not the Royal family. It is odd the older I get the more I dislike them. I do not think I am a leftie but I do find myself agreeing with a lot more things with them.

People work hard in this country, well some of us have. The country should stop wasting money on flimflam like the Royal family and the EU. I have my beliefs and I do not think they completely fit any one party. Also disgusted that the Royals do not pay any tax, that kid who took over the estate and owns half of the west end because his dad popped his clogs is not paying a penny because it is in different trusts.

If Corbyn wants to make them illegal so everyone pays their way then he will get my vote next time. That is what I have against the gypsies and the Royals, they aint workers and they dont pay there ways. I worked all my life worked hard and earned well, but the deal is everyone except the cancer and blind people should be working not looking for handouts.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/duke-...r-to-become-richest-young-person-in-uk-2016-8 Thats the kids, bang out of order tax dogging scum, when I die I have a house and a flat, obviously goes to the wife but then we want to leave it to our son, because we are in an area with high property prices he will get clobbered. Yet other people get away without paying tax, whether it some scumbag in Darlington who thinks they are to fat to work or some rich little daddies boy, neither is right and both can go to a workhouse in my view and learn about doing a hard days work.
 
The claim that the royal family bring in income via tourism is spurious. People would still visit Britain to see the Tower of London and Buckingham Palace if we became a republic, just as they visit these national monuments such as the Louvre in France. I don't think anybody going to the palace these days, seriously expects to see Liz waving from one of the windows.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
The claim that the royal family bring in income via tourism is spurious. People would still visit Britain to see the Tower of London and Buckingham Palace if we became a republic, just as they visit these national monuments such as the Louvre in France. I don't think anybody going to the palace these days, seriously expects to see Liz waving from one of the windows.
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Nobody has made that claim.

The Crown Estate brings in well over the cost of the royal family. Even if you take out any parts of their declared income that mention the coast or power generation (I agree, their claim to this is weak) then the estate still brings in almost 3.5 times their annual cost.
 
scaramanga said:
Nobody has made that claim.

The Crown Estate brings in well over the cost of the royal family. Even if you take out any parts of their declared income that mention the coast or power generation (I agree, their claim to this is weak) then the estate still brings in almost 3.5 times their annual cost.
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You then get to the question whether the assets are the States or their private property - If they belonged to the crown should that mean the State or the Head of State.
 
r-u-s-x said:
You then get to the question whether the assets are the States or their private property - If they belonged to the crown should that mean the State or the Head of State.
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If we're starting down the road of appropriating property from people because it's in the state's interest then we're on very shaky ground.

Once we've taken the Crown Estates, why not your car? Anyone live in London? We could get a good price for your house I bet. fudge it, why not sell people's kids off to someone in the Vatican? There'd be a fortune to be made.
 
scaramanga said:
If we're starting down the road of appropriating property from people because it's in the state's interest then we're on very shaky ground.

Once we've taken the Crown Estates, why not your car? Anyone live in London? We could get a good price for your house I bet. fudge it, why not sell people's kids off to someone in the Vatican? There'd be a fortune to be made.
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Not advocating taking away private property but questioning whether it was private or public, was the property the States and they are custodians as the head of State or was is it private property - I am not even arguing this should be the case but there is an argument to be made.

Royalty have always been treated differently in law to everyone else, this would be no different.
 
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Danishfurniturelover said:
Not having it, I think they take out more then they bring in, though hard to truly get a picture of it as the tourists love that brick. It is like the ridiculous notion that the Queen owns the shoreline so any money from wave turbine technology is hers. gonads, that money should be the governments first and foremost, now a lot of us on here will disagree how the government spend it.

But it is the countries not the Royal family. It is odd the older I get the more I dislike them. I do not think I am a leftie but I do find myself agreeing with a lot more things with them.

People work hard in this country, well some of us have. The country should stop wasting money on flimflam like the Royal family and the EU. I have my beliefs and I do not think they completely fit any one party. Also disgusted that the Royals do not pay any tax, that kid who took over the estate and owns half of the west end because his dad popped his clogs is not paying a penny because it is in different trusts.

If Corbyn wants to make them illegal so everyone pays their way then he will get my vote next time. That is what I have against the gypsies and the Royals, they aint workers and they dont pay there ways. I worked all my life worked hard and earned well, but the deal is everyone except the cancer and blind people should be working not looking for handouts.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/duke-...r-to-become-richest-young-person-in-uk-2016-8 Thats the kids, bang out of order tax dogging scum, when I die I have a house and a flat, obviously goes to the wife but then we want to leave it to our son, because we are in an area with high property prices he will get clobbered. Yet other people get away without paying tax, whether it some scumbag in Darlington who thinks they are to fat to work or some rich little daddies boy, neither is right and both can go to a workhouse in my view and learn about doing a hard days work.
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Gilzeantoscore said:
The claim that the royal family bring in income via tourism is spurious. People would still visit Britain to see the Tower of London and Buckingham Palace if we became a republic, just as they visit these national monuments such as the Louvre in France. I don't think anybody going to the palace these days, seriously expects to see Liz waving from one of the windows.
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My thoughts as well.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Not advocating taking away private property but questioning whether it was private or public, was the property the States and they are custodians as the head of State or was is it private property - I am not even arguing this should be the case but there is an argument to be made.

Royalty have always been treated differently in law to everyone else, this would be no different.
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I think it's been treated as private for a very long time. I'm not sure I'd like a system that arbitrarily changes treatment like that.
 
scaramanga said:
I think it's been treated as private for a very long time. I'm not sure I'd like a system that arbitrarily changes treatment like that.
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Think there are a lot of rules regarding the royal family that are arbitrarily decided (The queen is not required to pay tax) - I have no horse in this race but can see both sides.
 
galeforce said:
that's some real backwards flimflam there
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I understand the desire for Scotland & Wales to be part of a United Kingdom, NI less so, they do not really share our ideals and have a disproportionate drain on our resources and time.

Only thing I can come up with is to back up our stance on the right of self determination that we use to justify Falkland's and Gibraltar.

(*Generalising is necessary when making broad statements)
 
r-u-s-x said:
I understand the desire for Scotland & Wales to be part of a United Kingdom, NI less so, they do not really share our ideals and have a disproportionate drain on our resources and time.

Only thing I can come up with is to back up our stance on the right of self determination that we use to justify Falkland's and Gibraltar.

(*Generalising is necessary when making broad statements)
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The Prods have cultural connections to south-west Scotland. It's never really been with England. But mainly their UK love is anti-Eire, rather than anything more positive.

There's some good cultural stuff from NI - Mark Cousins' films, van Morrison, Ash, Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers, Divine Comedy, Snow Patrol
 
Gutter Boy said:
There's some good cultural stuff from NI - Mark Cousins' films, van Morrison, Ash, Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers, Divine Comedy, Snow Patrol
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Reason why I put the qualifier in about generalization - I now individuals will be decent but as a hole it just doesn't seem to fit enough to justify the effort.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Labours amendments seem to be good politicking

Yesterdays shows them cheering about keeping Fireman & Police pay low

Todays was a swipe at the DUP and made them have another U-TURN

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ns-pregnancy-philip-hammond-dup-a7814606.html
Philip Hammond says NI women will be given free abortions in England to head off Queen's Speech defeat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...adership-contest-brexit-deal-former-minister/
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Coat hangers at the ready.
 
scaramanga said:
If we're starting down the road of appropriating property from people because it's in the state's interest then we're on very shaky ground.

Once we've taken the Crown Estates, why not your car? Anyone live in London? We could get a good price for your house I bet. fudge it, why not sell people's kids off to someone in the Vatican? There'd be a fortune to be made.
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I agree with most of this, but they can and should pay the same level of inheritance tax, through the following years they would rightly sell of most of their Palaces to pay for the upkeep. The is so much house building needed in this country they could and should sell of Sandringham.

I am not a tax tax tax person and pretty much to the right on most things politically. But I feel very strongly that everyone should work if able to do so and everyone should pay tax. If I ever got to meet Prince Harry I would tell him what I thought of him, and doing a stunt sports game for disabled veterans is not pulling the eyes over this worker/tax payer.

Either none of us pay inheritance tax or we all pay it. I saw on the News the other day about a Jewish family in New York who had to sell some paintings because a legacy was so big the only way to pay the bill was to sell off a million pound painting, that is how it should be here.
 
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