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SpurMeUp said:
That would be funny, had thought the same, but it would also say 'we are un-electable and we know it'
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its easily avoided - we believe in the fixed length term and do not feel we can effectively put our message across in the limited time available to us. Mrs May has consistently lied about calling the early election while planning for it in the background, we have been working towards a 2020 election date. We will be willing to vote for an early election in 2018 and possibly 2017 as long as the lying coward Mrs May agrees to TV debates.

- if she doesn't agree with TV debates then it makes her look like she was backing out.

Corbyn is in cuckoo land though - must be a hell of an echo chamber.
 
galeforce said:
better than "we're un-electable and we don't care"
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Too late, its on. The post-Brexit election, all about Brexit, with no party campaigning on remaining in the EU, despite 48% of voters previously voting that way. Not representative, and worse a total bore.

Is it better to spoil your ballet paper or not vote at all if you don't think there is anyone who represents you?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Too late, its on. The post-Brexit election, all about Brexit, with no party campaigning on remaining in the EU, despite 48% of voters previously voting that way. Not representative, and worse a total bore.

Is it better to spoil your ballet paper or not vote at all if you don't think there is anyone who represents you?
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We could all run as independents and vote for ourselves?!
 
I'm voting Labour because they finished second to the Tories in my (safe) Tory constituency and they're the only ones with any chance whatsoever of beating them here.

Also, I love how ITV and BBC have both said they'll do debates anyway. It's up to May whether she shows up or not.
 
7percent said:
I love how ITV and BBC have both said they'll do debates anyway. It's up to May whether she shows up or not.
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The TV debates are nauseating and pointless.

This isn't a presidential system. Only about 72,000 people (those in Maidenhead, North Islington, Westmorland etc.) are able to vote for any of those individuals.

Going to your local hustings in person is a much more valuable exercise.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The TV debates are nauseating and pointless.
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They can't be pointless if it effects which party people vote for, which it will.

I do feel there should be two votes. Which MP you want to represent you and which party you want to form a government.

I'm not even voting for an MP. I'm voting to give labour the smallest outside chance of kicking the tories out of my constituancy.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The TV debates are nauseating and pointless.

This isn't a presidential system. Only about 72,000 people (those in Maidenhead, North Islington, Westmorland etc.) are able to vote for any of those individuals.

Going to your local hustings in person is a much more valuable exercise.
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Elections are more and more about the leader than the party, can a good local MP get anything done these days - its all along party lies especially this one.

7M watched the last set of debates they are not going to get in the local hustings
 
7percent said:
They can't be pointless if it effects which party people vote for, which it will.

I do feel there should be two votes. Which MP you want to represent you and which party you want to form a government.

I'm not even voting for an MP. I'm voting to give labour the smallest outside chance of kicking the tories out of my constituancy.
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They are so scripted and rehearsed, they give no real insight.

The only thing they do is propagate evolutionary psychology biases - swaying voters towards taller candidates (who win 3 times more elections) and those with more symmetrical faces. Humans don't even listen to the words when there's those sort of subconscious triggers, inherented down 100s of generations, going on (cave man brains in a space age world).

Milliband was probably the biggest victim of the media spotlight during a campaign, but it was the 1:1 interviews with journalists (particularly the Paxman one) where he crumbled.
 
Gutter Boy said:
They are so scripted and rehearsed, they give no real insight.

The only thing they do is propagate evolutionary psychology biases - swaying voters towards taller candidates (who win 3 times more elections) and those with more symmetrical faces. Humans don't even listen to the words when there's those sort of subconscious triggers, inherented down 100s of generations, going on (cave man brains in a space age world).

Milliband was probably the biggest victim of the media spotlight during a campaign, but it was the 1:1 interviews with journalists (particularly the Paxman one) where he crumbled.
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How is it any different to interviews on TV which would be the alternative for the majority, the option isn't inform yourself by other means or debate for the majority. It's debate or nothing

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r-u-s-x01 said:
How is it any different to interviews on TV which would be the alternative for the majority, the option isn't inform yourself by other means or debate for the majority. It's debate or nothing

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People that can't be bothered to read the manifestos shouldn't be allowed to vote. You elect an agenda for government. We aren't a presidential system.
 
Gutter Boy said:
They are so scripted and rehearsed, they give no real insight.

The only thing they do is propagate evolutionary psychology biases - swaying voters towards taller candidates (who win 3 times more elections) and those with more symmetrical faces. Humans don't even listen to the words when there's those sort of subconscious triggers, inherented down 100s of generations, going on (cave man brains in a space age world).

Milliband was probably the biggest victim of the media spotlight during a campaign, but it was the 1:1 interviews with journalists (particularly the Paxman one) where he crumbled.
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I love how your mind works you beautiful weird freak. Have you ever read the book think like a freak?
 
I will not vote in this election, my area Bramber is safe tory and they are the best of a bad bunch anyway. Hope we still come out of the EU but I have my worries, long term I would like to see Scotland go it's own way.

Not taking the tinkle here but scary thought is we could have three female leaders in Europe, in Germany, France and Britain in a few months time. All getting towards menopause age, bigger worry for me then Trump being a loon, it will be like having 3 loons in your back garden.
 
Labour has to understand what people want who voted Brexit i.e. be nationalistic, and start engaging in a form of 'Brit and proud' branding. It needn't influence policy greatly, its nationalistic fluff they need. Talk about the working British man and women and how we'll fight for them and improve their lives etc. Then be brave and say that Labour is pro EU because it will help British people keep jobs and pay for the NHS and good schools. To keep the nationalistic diatribe commit to cutting any useless immigration for outside the EU. If the person isn't useful to our nation, Labour will keep them out. Which is something the Tories have talked and talked about but never ever done! Labour has portray themselves as a strong party that represents the British people first and foremost, 'which is why we back trading and remaining in europe.' Plus attack Tories as entitled, moneyed, out of touch.

If they did that they could capture both sides of the brexit divide in my opinion. Election politics now is less about reality, and more about image, feeling and intent. Successful parties will get that image right above the content.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Labour has to understand what people want who voted Brexit i.e. be nationalistic, and start engaging in a form of 'Brit and proud' branding. It needn't influence policy greatly, its nationalistic fluff they need. Talk about the working British man and women and how we'll fight for them and improve their lives etc. Then be brave and say that Labour is pro EU because it will help British people keep jobs and pay for the NHS and good schools. To keep the nationalistic diatribe commit to cutting any useless immigration for outside the EU. If the person isn't useful to our nation, Labour will keep them out. Which is something the Tories have talked and talked about but never ever done! Labour has portray themselves as a strong party that represents the British people first and foremost, 'which is why we back trading and remaining in europe.' Plus attack Tories as entitled, moneyed, out of touch.

If they did that they could capture both sides of the brexit divide in my opinion. Election politics now is less about reality, and more about image, feeling and intent. Successful parties will get that image right above the content.
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In my experience there are two types of people who voted Leave.

1) The thinkers - they mainly want free trade with the rest of the world and/or real representation as voters.
2) The reactors - they want an end to immigration.

Your suggestion provides neither with what they want. Those in group 1 are far too intelligent to fall for the lies you describe and those in group 2 have been lied to about immigration for so long they will need something cast iron.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I love how your mind works you beautiful weird freak. Have you ever read the book think like a freak?
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It's genuine academic science. It's from a chapter called Stone Age Psychology in Robin Dunbar's How Many Friends book. I'll paste some extracts below


Evolutionary psychologists sometimes caricature us as having ‘Stone Age minds in a space-age universe’. Brains do not evolve very quickly, the ways we think and react to life’s experiences inevitably reflects adaptation to circumstances long past – life as we lived it between 500,000 and 10,000 years ago when modern humans first invented agriculture and changed both their lifestyle and environment by living in villages.

In the vastly different circumstances of today, changes that culture has imposed on modern life and the environments we live in, we respond as though we were still on the plains of Africa, hunting wild game and searing our enemies from over the hill. We respond by instinct rather than judgement.

In professions as diverse as business management, nursing and carpentry, those who had achieved higher status were indeed significantly taller than those who occupied the lower rungs of the professional ladder, even when differences in age were taken into account.

Obama vs McCain election – Obama was taller (the taller candidate has won 3x more presidential elections than the shorter candidate since 1900) and he had a more symmetrical face.

One of the markers of top quality genes is how well they can cope with the vicissitudes of life – illness, injury, starvation – and still produce a symmetrical body. Facial symmetry is a rough and ready index of the quality of your genes (their ability to produce a functioning body). Symmetry correlates with how well one does lots of things in life, and is a good predictor of which candidate will win an election.

US elections the winner has been taller in 71%. Men’s salaries also correlated with how tall they are. In UK 1% for every CM taller than average.

Masculine and dominant faces do well in times of war vs attractive, forgiving, likeable and intelligent ones in peace


But no - I'll check out that book - thanks
 
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