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Its not a thing that concerns normal people is it? Am i allowed to get frisky with my cousin's kid when they turn 16, so we can add Rutland and eastern Leicestershire to the estates?


You saying that British Pakistanis arent normal people? In Bradford 50% of all marriages from Pakistani descent are first cousins marrying each other. Its down from 64% but its still a shocking fact. A lot of these are forced marriages too. This isn’t our culture no matter how much you pretend it is. Its a practice that needs to be banned. It just shows that after generations this group of society has zero interest in integrating.

Although talking of fingers have you Charlies? Jesus Christ.
 
Since Blair left, Labour have always had a blind spot for national security:

Member of a terrorist organisation given access to the Parliamentary estate weeks before being arrested by counter terrorism police. Surely they vet these invitees and that goes through police and security services intelligence?

Absolute amateur hour over the last few months It really is...

 
Since Blair left, Labour have always had a blind spot for national security:

Member of a terrorist organisation given access to the Parliamentary estate weeks before being arrested by counter terrorism police. Surely they vet these invitees and that goes through police and security services intelligence?

Absolute amateur hour over the last few months It really is...


 
Love a good spot of whataboutery. I agree Johnson had a bit of a blind spot there, although there is a huge difference in dealing with someone that is not on any US, EU, UN or UK proscribed list (nor is his father incidentally) and dealing with someone that is suspected of being a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation (and was arrested on that basis a few weeks later).

The difference in competency is also that Boris Johnson actually had security services opinion and then yes, overruled, but made an "eyes open" decision, whatever the controversy around that.

The government seem to have got this guy into talks in Parliament without even knowing there was an active counter terrorism investigation into him. I mean, that's my WTF point.
 
Love a good spot of whataboutery. I agree Johnson had a bit of a blind spot there, although there is a huge difference in dealing with someone that is not on any US, EU, UN or UK proscribed list (nor is his father incidentally) and dealing with someone that is suspected of being a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation (and was arrested on that basis a few weeks later).

The difference in competency is also that Boris Johnson actually had security services opinion and then yes, overruled, but made an "eyes open" decision, whatever the controversy around that.

The government seem to have got this guy into talks in Parliament without even knowing there was an active counter terrorism investigation into him. I mean, that's my WTF point.
So he ignored the advice of the nation’s security experts, but had his “eyes open” as he met without aides present. He can’t seem to recall if he discussed government business and has obfuscated his way through attempts to get to the bottom of what actually happened - but it’s all fine because he knew what he was doing?

It's pretty WTF, I'd say. The photos of him at the airport the next day looking particularly hungover (even for him) suggest he may well not have been in full control of his faculties throughout the evening detailed below - although, to be fair, he rarely was while holding any government office.

 
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So he ignored the advice of the nation’s security experts, but had his “eyes open” as he met without aides present. He can’t seem to recall if he discussed government business and has obfuscated his way through attempts to get to the bottom of what actually happened - but it’s all fine because he knew what he was doing.

It's pretty WTF, I'd say. The photos of him at the airport the next day looking particularly hungover (even for him) suggest he may well not have been in full control of his faculties throughout the evening detailed below - although, to be fair, he rarely was while holding any government office.


That weekend came up on the Rest is Politics recently.

Rory Stewart hinted that he’d been invited to it (or one in the series of party weekends) and it sounded like a honey pot.

It was clearly a kompromat attempt, but knowing Johnson, he was too busy shagging things to give anything away.
 
You saying that British Pakistanis arent normal people? In Bradford 50% of all marriages from Pakistani descent are first cousins marrying each other. Its down from 64% but its still a shocking fact. A lot of these are forced marriages too. This isn’t our culture no matter how much you pretend it is. Its a practice that needs to be banned. It just shows that after generations this group of society has zero interest in integrating.

Although talking of fingers have you Charlies? Jesus Christ.
Some cultures are just better than others.

No culture is perfect, but feck me...

I don't want Islam anywhere near my country... Don't care, if you're white, black, pink, green, or blue.

If you want Islam, go to an Islamic country.

Fecking hate ir.
 
So he ignored the advice of the nation’s security experts, but had his “eyes open” as he met without aides present. He can’t seem to recall if he discussed government business and has obfuscated his way through attempts to get to the bottom of what actually happened - but it’s all fine because he knew what he was doing?

It's pretty WTF, I'd say. The photos of him at the airport the next day looking particularly hungover (even for him) suggest he may well not have been in full control of his faculties throughout the evening detailed below - although, to be fair, he rarely was while holding any government office.

I doubt the security services actually had a very strong view on Lebedev. The yanks didn't sanction Lebedev junior or senior and neither did the EU or UK. That suggests that whatever the background of snr, nobody that we should care about from an intelligence perspective actually thinks he is close to Putin or his inner circle. However I've no doubt security services advised on balance it would be wiser not to grant him a peerage. I doubt they advised against socialising or interacting with him. He was a British citizen after all and owner of a variety of prominent news outfits. The current government will have to have some form of relationship with Lebedev.

Bit different to meeting with someone that is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation, where assisting them in any way is actually a criminal offence in itself.
 
The problem with this sort of opinion poll is that the vast majority of British people are fed up of talking about freedom of movement and our relationship with the EU. They view the matter as closed. The people that can be a**ed to respond to these polls are therefore skewed towards people that still have a strong need to voice their opinion which of course will be skewed towards "sore remainers" and in this case "leavers with regret". Pollsters try and compensate for this by adjusting results but just as polls immediately prior to the Brexit referendum pointed to a clear remain win, pollsters also struggle to reach conservative voters as liberal politically active people are far more likely to respond to opinion polls. They will never adjust opinion polls by more than a certain % as once yout adjustment goes past a point where it's effectively overruling the poll sample the entire exercise becomes pointless.

Opinion polls on brexit related issues when such issues are not up for public debate in a foreseeable election are therefore particularly meaningless, as are mid-term polls on GE voting intention (which always pretty much show "we think the government are s***")
 
This is a funny one because my wife describes herself as "working class"....so do a lot of her friends, as they drive the kids to swimming lessons in their Q4s and ID4s 🤣

Class it britain has never been based on money (like most of the world does). Its primarily determined by your parents' occupations. Just a weird quirk.

Personally my shorthand is:
Working class - non-home owning
Lower middle class - home owning, state schooled
Upper middle class - home owning, private schooled
Upper class - inherited land
 
Class it britain has never been based on money (like most of the world does). Its primarily determined by your parents' occupations. Just a weird quirk.

Personally my shorthand is:
Working class - non-home owning
Lower middle class - home owning, state schooled
Upper middle class - home owning, private schooled
Upper class - inherited land
One's own occupation will also factor in.

There aren't many working class KCs about the place, nor GPs, for example.
 
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