Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gutter Boy]

There are two things that are clear imho, Leave is a more important factor amongst grass roots Tories, so it is a bigger election issue for the Tories. Secondly that 2017 showed the North will not, apart from in a few affluent constituenxies vote for Tories.

Labour neutralised Brexit in 2017 by mirroring the Tory position. The strength of leave feeling compared to traditional party lines, in Labour areas outside of London, hasn't been tested yet.

 

[Robspur12]

Labour neutralised Brexit in 2017 by mirroring the Tory position. The strength of leave feeling compared to traditional party lines, in Labour areas outside of London, hasn't been tested yet.

I don't ever remember Labour's position as being hard brexit. Plus the north has been hit hard by Austerity. That doesn't help the Tories.

 

[monkeybarry]

I don't ever remember Labour's position as being hard brexit. Plus the north has been hit hard by Austerity. That doesn't help the Tories.

The public understanding of the politics that has affected people's lives is now far better known (and to a lesser degree better understood) - that would make a GE so interesting.

 

[StephenH]

The public understanding of the politics that has affected people's lives is now far better known (and to a lesser degree better understood) - that would make a GE so interesting.

You must be down south.
I think many over 50yo in the north would vote for anybody who would throw out the "da*ki*s"
This was from a conversation with 3 people in a pub in Leeds last week.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

How can anyone credibly claim to be a progressive and even consider a vote for the Tories, (shakes head)?

 

[Robspur12]

But for the past few months it feels like the backbench Tories are the only ones standing up for the majority of the country - the working and middle classes beyond the London bubble. The only ones preventing the great sell-out

Really? To me it's seems they are only standing up for themselves. I can't see how focussing on leaving the EU above every thing else stands up for the middle and working class. They need strong public services, decent wages, housing they can afford. Creating a low tax, low regulation economy creates the opposite. It focuses money even more at the top of society. I'd say it is many brexiteers that live in a bubble.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Another Tory has now quit. Nick Boles. Says the Tories are putting the nations' prosperity at risk because of their failure to compromise.

 

[monkeybarry]

Another Tory has now quit. Nick Boles. Says the Tories are putting the nations' prosperity at risk because of their failure to compromise.

Which I think puts them one away from losing their supply and demand majority

 

[monkeybarry]

You must be down south.
I think many over 50yo in the north would vote for anybody who would throw out the "da*ki*s"
This was from a conversation with 3 people in a pub in Leeds last week.

You can't cater for that level of stoopid.

 

[StephenH]

You can't cater for that level of stoopid.

I know but this far from a rare occurrence and little difference from here in leafy Hampton SW London
But it is very grim up norf.
More UKIP members than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Another Tory has now quit. Nick Boles. Says the Tories are putting the nations' prosperity at risk because of their failure to compromise.

Failure to be cowed by the imperialist

 

[Gutter Boy]

You can't cater for that level of stoopid.

Leeds is Leeds. The arse end of the world

 

[Robspur12]

Leeds is Leeds. The arse end of the world

It's that kind of metropolitan elite thinking that made people vote to leave.

 

[Gutter Boy]

It's that kind of metropolitan elite thinking that made people vote to leave.

Leeds isn't particularly deprived. It just has a very high concentration of knobheads

 

[parklane1]

Leeds isn't particularly deprived. It just has a very high concentration of knobheads

Neanderthal man is alive and well in Leeds, at least the ones who go to football.

 

[Grays_1890]

So regardless of remain or leave do we agree that the moves to use Brexit to progress personal agendas on both sides has been shocking?

 

[parklane1]

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So regardless of remain or leave do we agree that the moves to use Brexit to progress personal agendas on both sides has been shocking?

it has been shameful to watch, self serving bricks every last one of them.

 

[monkeybarry]

Leeds is Leeds. The arse end of the world

Whatever happened to Leeds spurs??!

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

So regardless of remain or leave do we agree that the moves to use Brexit to progress personal agendas on both sides has been shocking?

Im tired of Brexit, said for a long time we wont leave, and actually that side of it does not bother me so much. It is as you say the way the MPs have behaved. The leavers who still wont vote for May's deal are just as bad as the ones who vote it down because they want to over turn the referendum.

But for me I want to see more talk about what to do with Knife crime in London. People are now getting stabbed by little bricks who want to get into gangs, is pathetic.

I think it is best to leave, but honestly the fact that departments now are not doing anything but brexit is causing the country so much harm, I think we should leave but it needs to get sorted.

My sister is on attachment to the foreign office as a legal adviser and all she talks about is brexit. Is getting old, the are other things we need to do in this country.

I support controlling our own laws, but I also think we need to aim for our country to become renewable energy neutral, we need to sort out knife crime, we need to switch to a graduation tax rather then student loans, we need to refocus the economy towards emerging industries.

The is so much we need to do. It would be best to just pull the plaster off, grin and bear it and then get on with the important stuff. The are so many problems in the country we need to focus on.

 

[monkeybarry]

Tory's don't seem too happy this evening.

Also, didn't Brexiters vote for Parliamentary democracy and sovereignty.
Whats the issue.....??