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The french do rescue lots but apparently the migrants are told by their traffickers that if any French vessels try to help them, they should threaten to sink the boat or even throw a child overboard in order to ensure they can get into English waters. If that happens then the French back off rather than risk loss of life. (At least that’s what I’ve heard reported).

There was an occasion recently where an an English rescue boat (Royal Navy? Didn’t think it was RNLI but maybe it was) did go into French waters but I thought that was a once off.
 
Rorschach said:
They would be the French lifeboat services problem then I assume if they are still in French waters. If they make it to UK waters then they go to the UK, they cannot be returned to France as you suggested.
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Something, something weather, tides, had to head to France with them....

Who the fudge will know where they found them anyway? We'll just say they were picked up in French waters.
 
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scaramanga said:
Something, something weather, tides, had to head to France with them....

Who the fudge will know where they found them anyway? We'll just say they were picked up in French waters.
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There he is.

The lifeboats don't just amble around looking for someone to save. They are called out to incidents in specific locations
 
Rorschach said:
There he is.

The lifeboats don't just amble around looking for someone to save. They are called out to incidents in specific locations
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"By the time we arrived, the boat had floated into French waters. We did the job of the French for them and returned the boat safely back to Calais"
 
Rorschach said:
There he is.

The lifeboats don't just amble around looking for someone to save. They are called out to incidents in specific locations
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Has been reported that is exactly what they did. The telegraph ran a story that they were out looking for migrants in boats. On the one hand a proactive approach to saving lives is to be applauded. But anything that encourages this cruel and dangerous trafficking should be illegal as it is actually risking life.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
The french do rescue lots but apparently the migrants are told by their traffickers that if any French vessels try to help them, they should threaten to sink the boat or even throw a child overboard in order to ensure they can get into English waters. If that happens then the French back off rather than risk loss of life. (At least that’s what I’ve heard reported).

There was an occasion recently where an an English rescue boat (Royal Navy? Didn’t think it was RNLI but maybe it was) did go into French waters but I thought that was a once off.
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So it is OK to break the law if you threaten self harm? Or worse the murder of a child. That just sounds plain wrong to me.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Has been reported that is exactly what they did. The telegraph ran a story that they were out looking for migrants in boats. On the one hand a proactive approach to saving lives is to be applauded. But anything that encourages this cruel and dangerous trafficking should be illegal as it is actually risking life.
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The RNLI certainly should be considering the moral hazard of making such crossings safer.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think they are considering one thing and one thing only. It's the same one thing they consider everyday.

They'll leave the rest of the gonad*s for people like you to discuss.
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I'm sure they are, which is looking at a very small part of the picture.

What if, by saving some people and making the crossing safer, they encourage more people to try it?
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Where did I say that?
I was giving one reported reason why the French rescue boats back off and allow the migrants to enter English waters.
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I did not say you said that. But the French authorities by their behaviour are implying that the case. Backing off people because they threaten to self harm or murder children.

It is frankly appalling behaviour and is what keeps this terrible situation from happening time and again.
 
scaramanga said:
What if, by saving some people and making the crossing safer, they encourage more people to try it?
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It is pretty obvious that is what is happening and now from being a summer thing will probably go over into a spring and autumn thing as well.

People trafficking is a disgusting trade in people. Anyone who remembers those poor Chinese people who suffocated in the lorry a few years ago would agree.

Making these trips easier for people to do is encouraging an already dangerous and sickening thing. But the is good political capital and virtue signalling to be had. People get to prove how much they care, thereby making themselves moral superiors and thinking their opinion is the correct or dominant view. Does not matter if ultimately more people are put in harms way though does it:(
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
They'll do all they can do with the resources they have.

Those lives 'that matter' don't appear to be considered by people that oppose the RNLI"s actions in the first instance, do they?
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Well I can't speak for everyone but I think it is clear as day to me that between the RNLI and the French authorities the pair of them are adding to situation where peoples lives are being put at risk. This could and should be dealt with at source.

But for some reason people not only do not want to, they willfully are doing the opposite. Won't matter to any of us as it is not our lives at risk. But the people on those boats are being let down by people who should know better.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Well I can't speak for everyone but I think it is clear as day to me that between the RNLI and the French authorities the pair of them are adding to situation where peoples lives are being put at risk. This could and should be dealt with at source.

But for some reason people not only do not want to, they willfully are doing the opposite. Won't matter to any of us as it is not our lives at risk. But the people on those boats are being let down by people who should know better.
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This conversation started with the suggestion that the RNLI should not be doing what they're doing.

They're are dealing with a situation that is presented to them. There are lives at risk, their job is to save lives, they do their job. Their involvement ends there. All other issues, whether knock on or existing, should be dealt with by politicians, border forces or police.

Besides you are trying to create a chicken and egg scenario. If the RNLI don't get involved for the sake of discouraging further crossings, life's will be lost, guaranteed. Is that ok? Or is it best to deal with the live and present situation, save lives now, there maybe too many to save further down the line if crossings increase BUT that's a 'maybe', not guaranteed.

Why would anyone push back against the RNLI saving people? (Beyond some extended reasoning gonads)
 
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