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I think the more important issue for Starmer is that he can’t leave it to Momentum to back Dawn. Whether Johnson is a lying conniving brick can’t really be another wedge issue within Labour, FFS.

It’s good optics for anyone who claims to be a leader to stick up for their team. It’s bad optics to fail to do so. Already a massive missed opportunity.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
I think the more important issue for Starmer is that he can’t leave it to Momentum to back Dawn. Whether Johnson is a lying conniving brick can’t really be another wedge issue within Labour, FFS.

It’s good optics for anyone who claims to be a leader to stick up for their team. It’s bad optics to fail to do so. Already a massive missed opportunity.
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What are the optics like for someone to stick up for a team that doesn't appear to know the rules or the etiquette of the HoC?
 
scaramanga said:
What are the optics like for someone to stick up for a team that doesn't appear to know the rules or the etiquette of the HoC?
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The rules about calling liars liars are clearly completely inadequate in dealing with the lying bastards currently in power. There’s zero point in addressing Johnson at PMQs as if his answers make sense. Pushing the boundaries of the conventions and winning a few memes is worth a hundred attempts to score minor points from a blustering trumper. The HoC looks like a silly, archaic boys club to most neutral observers, so the constituency which would be repelled by breaches of convention is very small indeed.
 
Baleforce said:
Its a bigger problem than that, people know he’s a lying bastard, they just don’t care, lying has been normalised, tribalism has taken over, being on the winning side matters more than the value of the prize that’s been won.
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It’s a horrible hallmark of the era we live in, facts almost always come second. Your political agenda comes first. That’s the left and the right. If facts don’t fit in with people’s agendas then they don’t want to hear those facts. Also, people generally want to hear what they already believe in.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
The rules about calling liars liars are clearly completely inadequate in dealing with the lying bastards currently in power. There’s zero point in addressing Johnson at PMQs as if his answers make sense. Pushing the boundaries of the conventions and winning a few memes is worth a hundred attempts to score minor points from a blustering trumper. The HoC looks like a silly, archaic boys club to most neutral observers, so the constituency which would be repelled by breaches of convention is very small indeed.
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There are plenty of ways to address the veracity of another member's statements without resorting to such churlish actions.

When so much of the country already doesn't see Labour as being fit to govern, acting like the half-witted work experience kid is unlikely to help.
 
scaramanga said:
There are plenty of ways to address the veracity of another member's statements without resorting to such churlish actions.

When so much of the country already doesn't see Labour as being fit to govern, acting like the half-witted work experience kid is unlikely to help.
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Actually, I think that is the level we have got too - parliament is now a parody of itself for an eloctorate of Love Island watchers
 
scaramanga said:
I know she knew the rules, the way it looks, though, is yet more amateur brick from Labour.
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There is little point of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

If the tories have decided that truth and codes of ethics that governed us previously no longer matter and the electorate are lapping it up. The opposition should absolutely push the envelope in order to expose them.
 
DTA said:
There is little point of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

If the tories have decided that truth and codes of ethics that governed us previously no longer matter and the electorate are lapping it up. The opposition should absolutely push the envelope in order to expose them.
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That might win some plaudits amongst twittards, students, etc. but they've repeatedly been missing when it comes to elections.

That's the issue with appealing to people for whom virtue signalling has so much value - once the virtue has been signalled, why bother your arse to a polling station?
 
scaramanga said:
That might win some plaudits amongst twittards, students, etc. but they've repeatedly been missing when it comes to elections.

That's the issue with appealing to people for whom virtue signalling has so much value - once the virtue has been signalled, why bother your arse to a polling station?
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Enlightening is the first stage, then engagement then mobilisation.
 
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