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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
It gets more attention here and in the US because our governments have previously and currently thrown their support towards the actions of the Israeli government, or in the most indefensible of their actions, turned a blind eye or feigned disappointment.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
But we have all been critical of what happened in Syria and critical of Cameron and Obama and the bombing campaign that helped ISIS get a foot hold in that country.
Israel feels closer due to the large Jewish population in this country a population that keep painfully quiet when a country that represents them behaves so appallingly.
You really want to defend how Israel behaves really?
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I read once that more Israelis live outside Israel. If these people and also Jewish non Israelis put pressure on the government of Israel not to push people out of their homes.
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
BOTH sides are doing wrong, it's a war with people on both sides trying to kill each other...(have you seen the footage of literally thousands of bombs coming into highly populated parts of Israel?) not just one sided... there is a huge amount of nuance with this, but people are claiming one side without understanding it
For example, one of the posters above stating that Arabs are second class citizens in Israel... its honestly not true. I promise. I've witnessed it with my own eyes
So, my point is, why is Israel being condemned alone here?
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
I'm in full agreement that the US government are bad.... their judgement on a situation is irrelevant to me
And to be frank, same with this government
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
Still happening...
How many Jews do you think live in this country? I'm not being quiet... and I'm not defending some of Israels behaviour either, I'm simply asking you all to read up and understand both sides
For example, if wales was lobbing bombs into London, would you expect us to respond or not?
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I would not expect us to lob bombs into a refugee camp even if terrorists had sent the bombs from the camp before moving on.
Well actually I would expect that of our current government but that is a whole other issue.
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
To be honest, I'm really struggling with this whole situation
I know that both sides are doing bad things, but I'm finding it difficult to have to constantly see so many ignorant (sorry, that's how I feel because there are so many people commenting on social media etc who have not read up on this properly) comments in places that I'm usually OK to hang out without having to confront this - LinkedIn (how is this related to work?), at my job and on this football forum
I know the simple answer is to avoid this particular thread, but I just want people to see/ consider both sides, that's all
I know that both sides are doing bad things, but I'm finding it difficult to have to constantly see so many ignorant (sorry, that's how I feel because there are so many people commenting on social media etc who have not read up on this properly) comments in places that I'm usually OK to hang out without having to confront this - LinkedIn (how is this related to work?), at my job and on this football forum
I know the simple answer is to avoid this particular thread, but I just want people to see/ consider both sides, that's all
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
They're not moving on! That's the point!!
Hamas (that's who this is by the way - so to your previous post, it kinda is bin ladens cousin in that it's a terrorist cell), set up in a school or a mosque etc, knowing that if they get bombed it'll look twice as bad for Israel
So Israel have two choices
1. Allow the bombs to keep coming
2. Send targeted missiles to where the bombs are coming from
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I have seen the footage, and I have tried as much as possible to educate myself on what is happening in that region with an unbiased nature. And as much as social media can be vilified, there is a lot of real-time footage and discussion happening showing both sides, without media bias which has been enlightening I believe for anyone who would be solely pro-Palestine. And it still shows the Israeli government in the worst light possible.
Israel has a position of great responsibility and has the military might and defence system to mostly repel anything coming from Hamas. Often they are the aggressor and then cry self-defence, backed up by western media and governments. Hamas have gained power and taken advantage of Palestinian civilians as a result of the actions of the Israeli government actions past and present. Palestinian civilians live under what can only be described as apartheid compared to their Israeli counterparts.
I have Israeli and Jewish friends who are understandably distraught at what is happening in the region, like you, and want peace and unity. They are also understandably asking for people not directly involved to see both sides and understand nuances. But not one of them will condemn the actions of the Netenyahu’s government, who are commuting gross acts of human rights violations with seeming impunity (literally).
so whilst we absolutely should educate ourselves on both sides, one side in this so-called war as you call it is bringing a trillion dollar offence and defence system paid for by us and America to the battle.
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
You do know that gaza has a border with Egypt too right? Are they also guilty of enforcing "apartheid"?
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make? Would you mind elaborating on this?
dawaxman
Gheorge Popescu
It's not just Israel that is keeping the terrorists in gaza at arms length
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
That's....not the same...
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
A literal lynching.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
It’s horrendous
No two ways about it
I saw a great comment earlier ...
If you have both sides and offered them both peace of they did nothing to each other, one would say yes and the other would say no, it’s what hood wants. Now in the west some idiots would say that would be the answer of the Muslims... but it’s 100% the answer Israel would have.
Bowing up the press building says it’s all now
You can actually type that in good conscious ?
Israel retaliating with military airstrikes etc is akin to the UK doing the same in the 70's in response to various IRA bombings. These so-called rocket attacks pose little to no threat at all to Israel, not with their current defence measures.
Imagine the outcry if the UK decided to flatten some corner of South Armagh with some jdam's as a response to having had a MoD station attacked etc.
The outrage over Israel doing what they do is due to the fact that they are excessively heavy-handed (always), they try at every opportunity to force the Palestinians' out of their own lands, they still occupy the West Bank thus enforcing on a daily basis Israeli security restrictions on Palestinian movement and activities, and Israeli “settlers,” Jews who build ever-expanding communities in the West Bank that effectively deny the land to Palestinians. Oh, and the world generally decries other countries when they have their misdemeanours and impose sanctions or send peace keeping troops - but Israel, oh no, best let them do what they want to do..
(These "settlers" btw, if I am not mistaken, are in contravention of international law too)
((Also, also - iirc Israel annexed Eastern Jerusalem in the 60's which again wasn't, and still isn't, recognised by many countries until that taco Drumpf did so in his term)
I'm not going to say Hamas is innocent either, clearly they are not and I genuinely don't think they represent the majority of Palestinians' , but when the land keeps getting stolen under a myriad of guises then someone is eventually going to oppose it and do what they feel is right to try an reject it.
As long as Israel keeps continuing to reject a two-state system these problems will always continue, and seeing how they have been beating on the Palestinians' since the late 40's I see no end to this sad situation.