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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

thfcsteff said:
I agree with you on many things here, essentially the importance of discussing everything. And yes, the edge towards conspiracies is dangerous. Sometimes there is weight, but more often it is paranoia.

Mate, one day it would be great actually have a discussion in a pub before a match.
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Im well up for that
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
I hope nobody is accusing Grays of being a right wing bully, cause he is a self confessed, life time Labour voter.....ha, ha, ha.
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Interesting you mention bully as you seem to be the only poster who drives a personal agenda on here against someone. Maybe look in the mirror
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
I hope nobody is accusing Grays of being a right wing bully, cause he is a self confessed, life time Labour voter.....ha, ha, ha.
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We don't know who the accusation was aimed at, because the poster in question failed to respond to multiple, quite reasonable requests to elaborate on and offer supporting evidence of, his comments.

An accusation which, incidentally, I think almost all readers of this thread would have considered entirely beyond the pale.
 
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Gilzeantoscore said:
It's called calling out disingenuous people. You claim to be a life time Labour man, but you line up with the right wingers on here on every issue and from memory have never imitated a single left wing idea. "We both know what you are, now we're just haggling over the price." You will probably need to look that quote up.
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You know nothing, you cherry pick what you want to reply to, it doesnt make you right. The only person showing any bully tendancies on here is you. Ive had plenty of people on here ive debated with who are very reasonable good people mesage me off the back of your posts and support the fact im not anywhere near what you say. You constant badgering personally is just getting weird

I dont have to justify anything to you on here and you can believe what you want that is your choice.

What is laughable is that you cant believe someone would dare be Labour and not vote for them but ignore the last election where like i said previously thousands did the same, what happened there? You never have ansered that. That just makes you blind and complicit with the parties problems. You chose to blindly follow Corbyn even though he was blatently kiling the party, thats called being a sheep.

What i dont do like you is sit and moan that its all the oppositions fault, doesnt make me right wing or a conservative.

I believe in a politics where a party gets power on its on strengths not the oppositions weakness and there lies the issue, Corbyn had no strengths to highlight.
 
Grays_1890 said:
You know nothing, you cherry pick what you want to reply to, it doesnt make you right.

I dont have to justify anything to you on here and you can believe what you want that is your choice.

What is laughable is that you cant believe someone would dare be Labour and not vote for them but ignore the last election where like i said previously thousands did the same, what happened there? You never have ansered that. That just makes you blind and complicit with the parties problems. You chose to blindly follow Corbyn even though he was blatently kiling the party, thats called being a sheep.

What i dont do like you is sit and moan that its all the oppositions fault, doesnt make me right wing or a conservative.

I believe in a politics where a party gets power on its on strengths not the oppositions weakness and there lies the issue, Corbyn had no strengths to highlight.
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I don't know about you, but most Labour supporters I know, actually vote for the party and defend left wing arguments. You do neither. So it would seem my appraisal of you is pretty accurate. News flash, Corbyn is no long Labour leader, but still you line up with the right. Hello?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
I don't know about you, but most Labour supporters I know, actually vote for the party and defend left wing arguments. You do neither. So it would seem my appraisal of you is pretty accurate. News flash, Corbyn is no long Labour leader, but still you line up with the right. Hello?
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No i dont i have praised on here Kiers moves so far, he looks a great leader in the making so you are wrong.

The point about Corbyn you flash over because you know i am right. He was leader when i didnt vote for Labour so its hugely relevant and here is the kicker. He ran the party into the ground, the fact you still dont acknowledge that is odd, you cant ignore the facts. And if I wasnt a Labour supporter it would have suited me to take great pleasure in that fact but i dont he was an embarresment.
 
On the day when the extent of the recession is announced what do we have? We have a unicorn....look over there! A dinghy! Oh no, a dinghy, who cares about the the fact that Britain is the worst performing economy in Europe, there is a fudging dinghy! The saps fall for it every time, oh how Rees Moggs must laugh into his corn flakes every morning reading his copy of The Sun.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
ON EVERY ISSUE!!!
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Ahhhhh has someone taken your ball to play with? You are acting like a kid TBH

If you think thats the acid test to why people vote who they do then you are a fool.

Blair was hardly leftist and his actions on Iraq were as far right as you could get, death for money and power.....did you still vote Labour then? Im sure you probably did.

So dont talk to me about this pure politics crap which comes straight from the Corbyn handbook.

Honestly its blind sheep like you that killed the party under Corbyn. I bet you are one of those on twitter sending personal abuse to defecting Labour members
 
Grays_1890 said:
No i dont i have praised on here Kiers moves so far, he looks a great leader in the making so you are wrong.

The point about Corbyn you flash over because you know i am right. He was leader when i didnt vote for Labour so its hugely relevant and here is the kicker. He ran the party into the ground, the fact you still dont acknowledge that is odd, you cant ignore the facts. And if I wasnt a Labour supporter it would have suited me to take great pleasure in that fact but i dont he was an embarresment.
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My, my you are an unusual Labour supporter, one who only supports right wing arguments.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
On the day when the extent of the recession is announced what do we have? We have a unicorn....look over there! A dinghy! Oh no, a dinghy, who cares about the the fact that Britain is the worst performing economy in Europe, there is a fudging dinghy! The saps fall for it every time, oh how Rees Moggs must laugh into his corn flakes every morning reading his copy of The Sun.
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No most people can acknowledge we are in a recession because the economy is killed due to a glbal pandemic.

You yourself argued on here against risks to get economy moving

You seem confused
 
Grays, you cant rant all you like about Corbyn. I judge people by the long running and consistent line that they take take, and you my friend have not argued in support of a single progressive argument on here and always side with the right wingers. Simple statement of fact. Now I can understand how that might make you embarrassed, but it is what it is.​
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Grays, you cant rant all you like about Corbyn. I judge people by the long running and consistent line that they take take, and you my friend have not argued in support of a single progressive argument on here and always side with the right wingers. Simple statement of fact. Now I can understand how that might make you embarrassed, but it is what it is.​
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Ahhh its a rant because i am correct in what i say. Good tactic, call the fact a rant then come up with your own pound land theory that proves nothing.

The fact is modern labour supporters dont agree with your extreme idiology of the political landscape as they didnt Corbyns (see last election)

Sooner you see it sooner the party can progress

You and your echo chamber with your mates may make you feel comfortable thats fine but the facts are in pudding mate, there are not enough people that agree with you to vote Labour based on those values.

As I said before the Labour party lost millions of voters because not all Labour voters are extreme leftists, there is proof out there if you want to check. Even if we go with your theory you still dont explain the millions of other Labour voters that didnt vote in the last election
 
Grays_1890 said:
Ahhh its a rant because i am correct in what i say. Good tactic, call the fact a rant then come up with your own pound land theory that proves nothing.

The fact is modern labour supporters dont agree with your extreme idiology of the political landscape as they didnt Corbyns (see last election)

Sooner you see it sooner the party can progress

You and your echo chamber with your mates may make you feel comfortable thats fine but the facts are in pudding mate, there are not enough people that agree with you to vote Labour based on those values.

As I said before the Labour party lost millions of voters because not all Labour voters are extreme leftists, there is proof out there if you want to check. Even if we go with your theory you still dont explain the millions of other Labour voters that didnt vote in the last election
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Well if you are an exemplar of the typical Labour voter they may as well strike their tent and merge with the Tories. Ha, ha!
 
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