Legohamster
Ian Walker
How anyone as any time for Johnson is beyond me, don’t think he won’t drop the ERG like a stone if it becomes too tricky or he thinks the public have changed, he doesn’t care about Brexit enough.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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How anyone as any time for Johnson is beyond me, don’t think he won’t drop the ERG like a stone if it becomes too tricky or he thinks the public have changed, he doesn’t care about Brexit enough.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
No worse than the lie saying "you're decision is final"...we are seeing that that is not how the majority of parliament really feel, hence they are being more far active on delaying aka stopping Brexit than they have been with any Tory/coalition policy such as bedroom tax, stripping of disability benefits etc that they'd rile "The demonic Tories" for.
It's been nearly 3 and a half years since the vote and we are still in the EU: does that REALLY constitute a 'rush' at this point??
Legohamster
Ian Walker
No worse than the lie saying "you're decision is final"...we are seeing that that is not how the majority of parliament really feel, hence they are being more far active on delaying aka stopping Brexit than they have been with any Tory/coalition policy such as bedroom tax, stripping of disability benefits etc that they'd rile "The demonic Tories" for.
It's been nearly 3 and a half years since the vote and we are still in the EU: does that REALLY constitute a 'rush' at this point??
But the process hasn’t finished yet - so it is still that way.
Given we had been in for 40 years, yes.
The want to crash out just to “get it done” is ridiculous.
I want to get to the ground quicker when a plane is landing, I’m not going to jump out at 30,000 ft to get it done.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Brexit is Johnsons golden ticket, I dont think he gives a single fudge about it on principle, only on how it can serve him.
Just as he didnt give a single fudge about the consequences of campaigning for leave as he did, it was only ever a tool - a route to power - and nothing else (certainly no greater good idealism or anything like it).
That being said - he really has been something of a fox in the hen house, hasnt he? His introduction into things has actually done more in the last 3 months to resolve the issue than the last 3 years prior. He has forced things to a head, forced Corbyn to take his thumb out of his ass, and forced the EU to blink and think about what might be.
Not sure if I "have time" for him, I am under no illusion as to what an utter scumbag he is, but I certainly do appreciate what he is doing.
Might be fun though! Ive always wanted to skydive.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
It’s only his golden ticket all the time it suits him
I’m honestly not sure why he sees the GE as a way out, he’s alienating a lot of people (on both sides) I’m not sure he will get what he wants out of it.
I can’t talk for them, but I get the impression hardline Brexiteers don’t trust him and would vote for the Brexit party anyway.
A lot of middle of the road Tories won’t vote for him either.
I have no idea how I would vote at the moment
Don’t agree with Lib Dem’s
Can’t for for Jezza and his cult
Can’t vote for the Tories all the time he is in power
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Plus my local MP is a turd hound.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I think when it comes down to it, if the parties draw proper lines in the sand, Remainers will swing to Labour and Leavers to Conversvative.
That is a big "if", mind, considering Corbyn does his absolute level best to avoid standing for any particular thing.
However, "if" that were to happen, Lib Dem and Brexit Party voters would know that they are tinkling their vote in protest - and that going Labour/Conservative might actually count for something when voting effectively leave/remain.
I agree its Boris' golden ticket all the while it suits him, but I think it would suit him just fine for the purposes of a GE. He is angling things to split on Leave/Remain, doing a good job of trying to show those pesky politicians conspiring against the people, and also doing a good job of calling Corbyn out on his flimflam. So far, and so far as the other side of a GE, I do believe Brexit suits him just fine.
Thereafter, who knows?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Ive no idea who your local MP is, but I believe every word none the less
Henry “I’ve spoken to the airlines” Smith
He hasn’t once spoken to easy Jet, Virgin or BA.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Legohamster
Ian Walker
I don’t think Lib Dem’s/Brexit party voters think it would be a protest vote - both sets are hard nosed and believe they have more backing than they do and a vote for them will make a massive difference - it might do but only allowing another party in by splitting the vote - unless they do deals.
Then we are back to the issue why a GE is not the answer, you can’t have an election based on one issue.
I’m no labour fan under this leadership, but the calling out of the cults spending plan whilst the Tories spending would be as high is a weird one.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Given the area we live in (Crawley) has a large gay community and Brighton isn’t a great distance you would think he would be more clued up
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
People arent that stupid are they? I voted UKIP once, knowing full well it was a vote tinkled into the wind. I just couldnt bring myself to go Lab/Con at the time and wanted that to be heard.
Anecdotal, of course, but Ive never met or heard of someone thinking either Lib Dems or Brexit/UKIP can get any real power at all.
Even Swinson doesnt, thats why she is promising unicorns bricking rainbows - its just PR.
I do agree, if for example Labour fail to actually make a stance on Brexit, it is quite possible the Lib Dems will split their vote. But I do genuinely think the second Labour actually commit that Lib Dem vote will move across.
Ive not called out anyones spending, was more pointing to Boris calling out Corbyns aversion to actually doing something (anything) and his cowardice in opposition.
Amazing really, isnt it?
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I think the answer to both of these points lies in the refusal of activist remainers to accept the result. If they'd done so, and there consequently wasn't such fervant manoeuvring going on to frustrate the referendum result, I don't think either of these factors would be as big as they are.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Don't you just love good old democracy, eh...?
The arseholes in the house would not know what democracy was even if they fell over it. The majority voted out 3 years ago and some in the house are now asking for another vote, and they are backed by arseholes in the public who want to turn their back on democracy as well.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
People are that stupid, for a start they believe a man beaten by a dolphin in an election.
People think the Brexit party will sweep into power - I think they could possibly get a couple of seats.
Have a look at Twitter - it’s amusing if it wasn’t such a poor indictment of our educational system.
I can’t stand Swinson, I can’t stand the Lib Dem’s for the “gonads to Brexit” t shirts (however much I agree) as it adds to the hate filled country we have, as bad as the Bp MEPs turning the back on the anthem of the EU
Legohamster
Ian Walker
We never held all the cards.
Do you not think a deal exit is the best way to honor the result?
The complete lack of compromise on both sides has been the issue.
I agree with the rest
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Still don't know what's good for them.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
No, we never held all the cards. But our hand was significantly damaged by the remainer games. That's my point.
I'd prefer a deal, yes. But again, in my view the chances of getting an acceptable one are slim - and again I'd suggest remainer manoeuvrings are a significant factor in that.